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If it's just windows and not some sort of critical hardware fault, then yes. If you BSOD while stress testing it SHOULD stay on the BSOD so that when you wakey wakey the next morning BSOD code didn't go bye bye.
perfect. Thanks, repped

I'll try again tonight, leaving it at 1.35v for 4.5GHz -- as before so I can see which BSOD code i get.

IIRC there's a section on page 1 of this club stating which bsod codes are for vcore, etc.
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perfect. Thanks, repped

I'll try again tonight, leaving it at 1.35v for 4.5GHz -- as before so I can see which BSOD code i get.

IIRC there's a section on page 1 of this club stating which bsod codes are for vcore, etc.
1.35v for 4.5ghz? you did try lower didn't you?


Just a heads up, the error code list in the OP is a good indicator of telling what is wrong, but it's not 100% accurate.
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When I do custom + use 90%+ of my RAM, my cores are only stressed about 50% each. But when I do a normal blend it uses 100% of each core, but only around 30% of my total RAM. Is that normal for the custom to not use the cores fully?
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umm..it seems a lot of the newer (like..ever since the first ones) require a bit more voltage to be stable..and don't reach as high of clocks
 
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1.35v for 4.5ghz? you did try lower didn't you?


Just a heads up, the error code list in the OP is a good indicator of telling what is wrong, but it's not 100% accurate.
True, I'll try lower. Thanks for the headsup.

I just started at 1.35v for 4.5GHz because the person I bought it from says it does 4.6 @ 1.37v

I'll try lower.

Just a question, is Core Temps VID a good indicator for VID?
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True, I'll try lower. Thanks for the headsup.

I just started at 1.35v for 4.5GHz because the person I bought it from says it does 4.6 @ 1.37v

I'll try lower.

Just a question, is Core Temps VID a good indicator for VID?
In the spreadsheet the lowest vcore for 4.5ghz so far is around 1.212v, the highest is 1.416v so I would start around the 1.212v value, granted that not all cpu's are the same, but it won't hurt to strat at a lower value that is possible to get stable than at a much higher value.

4.6 @ 1.37v? doesn't seem that great. Again, the lowest 4.6ghz vcore is 1.280v and the highest is 1.400v. Your's 'apparently requires a little more than average I would say, however without doing your own testing it's hard to say, that is why I recommend starting low and working your way up.

Not sure about coretemp, I'd go with realtemp because I know it works correctly.

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In the spreadsheet the lowest vcore for 4.5ghz so far is around 1.212v, the highest is 1.416v so I would start around the 1.212v value, granted that not all cpu's are the same, but it won't hurt to strat at a lower value that is possible to get stable than at a much higher value.

4.6 @ 1.37v? doesn't seem that great. Again, the lowest 4.6ghz vcore is 1.280v and the highest is 1.400v. Your's 'apparently requires a little more than average I would say, however without doing your own testing it's hard to say, that is why I recommend starting low and working your way up.

Not sure about coretemp, I'd go with realtemp because I know it works correctly.

I'm currently testing IBT first before I do a long Blend tonight (again, i know) while I sleep.

If I can pass 20 passes -- and geez it's taking forever, I'll re-do my Prime Blend run.

I might just do 50 passes first to see how it goes.

I probably have a higher than average vcore for 4.5GHz but like you said, not all chips are the same.
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In the spreadsheet the lowest vcore for 4.5ghz so far is around 1.212v, the highest is 1.416v so I would start around the 1.212v value, granted that not all cpu's are the same, but it won't hurt to strat at a lower value that is possible to get stable than at a much higher value.

4.6 @ 1.37v? doesn't seem that great. Again, the lowest 4.6ghz vcore is 1.280v and the highest is 1.400v. Your's 'apparently requires a little more than average I would say, however without doing your own testing it's hard to say, that is why I recommend starting low and working your way up.

Not sure about coretemp, I'd go with realtemp because I know it works correctly.

I would like to interject a question, here. What is more detrimental to pc health? Multiple BSODs, or stress testing your cpu more? I'm wondering if the wiser approach would be to set your voltage to whatever your personal "safe" limit is, say 1.35V for example, and then lowering it in increments of .01V until you hit instability. Then cranking it back up by .005V and tweaking from there. What say you?

For my first OC, I set my voltage to my limit of 1.38 volts and Identified I get P95 stable at a multiple of 45, but not 46. So I knew my personal limit was going to be a mult of 45, if my temps stayed within my personal safe limit. I then started lowering my voltage and running 3 hour P95 blends to monitor my temps. In the end I ended up with 1.37 manual CPU V.

The next time I tried to OC, I started at a mult of 45 and a manual CPU V set to 1.28. I lost count of the number of BSODs I got before I stabled back out at 1.37 again. My first OC took far less time, and far less BSODs. I also noticed that in some of those BSODs for the second OC, that windows did not always successfully complete a dump. This sort of thing cannot be good for Windows. I'd imagine one would likely have to rebuild the OS eventually, no?
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I'm currently testing IBT first before I do a long Blend tonight (again, i know) while I sleep.

If I can pass 20 passes -- and geez it's taking forever, I'll re-do my Prime Blend run.

I might just do 50 passes first to see how it goes.

I probably have a higher than average vcore for 4.5GHz but like you said, not all chips are the same.
Instead of IBT, you could try the 'hard' FFT's , might be a better option. If the FFT's show sign of inconsistancy, then forget and just stick to blend with 90% of RAM.


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I would like to interject a question, here. What is more detrimental to pc health? Multiple BSODs, or stress testing your cpu more? I'm wondering if the wiser approach would be to set your voltage to whatever your personal "safe" limit is, say 1.35V for example, and then lowering it in increments of .01V until you hit instability. Then cranking it back up by .005V and tweaking from there. What say you?

For my first OC, I set my voltage to my limit of 1.38 volts and Identified I get P95 stable at a multiple of 45, but not 46. So I knew my personal limit was going to be a mult of 45, if my temps stayed within my personal safe limit. I then started lowering my voltage and running 3 hour P95 blends to monitor my temps. In the end I ended up with 1.37 manual CPU V.

The next time I tried to OC, I started at a mult of 45 and a manual CPU V set to 1.28. I lost count of the number of BSODs I got before I stabled back out at 1.37 again. My first OC took far less time, and far less BSODs. I also noticed that in some of those BSODs for the second OC, that windows did not always successfully complete a dump. This sort of thing cannot be good for Windows. I'd imagine one would likely have to rebuild the OS eventually, no?
BSOD's are better, why? because rebuilding/installing a fresh OS can be done countless times without the HDD faliing etc, it'll cause software issue's rather than hardware. Stress testing can be both, one of the main things is degrading a chip through stress testing, but im talking about long periods of time, can't put a number to it, but I remember one member here called sockpirate, that probably did around 200/250 hours of prime testing without any issue's.

I'd rather destroy windows than my chip if you know what I mean, basically starting from a low amoutn of vcore kind enables you to make estimates on how much you will need to increase to get stable, it is always a good idea to start low and work your way up.

The idea of throwing voltages around and hoping for the best is not really my way of overclocking, granted I may have 30 bsods while stress testing, but I do that on a backup partition or another HDD, without compromising my main OS, but the main thing for me is tweaking while overclocking, so I don't have to go backwards. There can be a fine line between 4 hours stable and 12+ hours and I'd rather do that while 'finding' my overclock.

The only problem is that it's time consuming, but you get it out of the way as you do your overclock.

In your case how could you be sure that 4.5 was the sweet spot? what if 4.4ghz only required 1.29v. At that point maybe you could have made a decision to keep it at that than increase 0.8 just for an extra 100mhz.

It's trial and error and there is no one way to overclock.
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I wish there was more information released about the Gigabyte beta BIOSes. For all I know, the latest beta for my board could fix the issue that stops me being able to use offset voltage, but I don't know about it. I don't want to just go flashing BIOSes here there and everywhere, especially beta ones, unless I know that they'll fix my problem. :/
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