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Crap so did I...

Do you think that my SSD could be a problem in my crashes 16 hours into Prime 95?

Something weird happens when it crashes, my BIOS resets my boot priority so that my hard drive is first (SSD is my primary), so I have to go back in BIOS to change boot priority when it crashes sometime..

I guess I should restart my testing..

Does the blend test write to the drive? I figured it was just crunching calculations..
Could be, no way to know.

If your BIOS start's acting a little 'wierd' clear the CMOS and try again. I don't think the blend test does any writing, it's just when the rig shutdowns and restarts it must do some cycles of writing, however, that's not a problem, unless your concious about how many writes etc your ssd does, IMHO you shouldn't really be doing any stress testing on it, what's more important is the BSOD, lots of bsods could corrupt OS.
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I posted about this in the Gigabyte 67/68 thread, but haven't had a response so I'll put it up here too, as I think more people will see it here....

(by the way, in case my rig doesn't show in sig, this is a 2500K + Z68X-UD3H-B3 bios vF10a)

...I don't know if this is specific to Giga's bios'. They call LLC 'Multi Step', I believe there are 10 steps. At level 5, load voltage will pass below (droop?) the bios setting. At level 6, it will (for me) always stay higher than the bios setting, even if it fluctuates downwards.

FOR EXAMPLE, I'm at 4.8, vcore is set to 1.410 and Power Step Level 6...
-at idle, it's much higher, mostly reporting 1.452 with occasional fluctuations to 1.464 or 1.440. 1.488 flashed on the screen briefly.
-at load, it spends almost all of the time at 1.440 but occasionally fluctuates to 1.428

Again, at level 5 under load, vcore fluctuates BELOW the bios setting and kills P95, though idle voltages are reporting .05-.10 lower.

I know there are a ton of other variables and settings, I've messed with most of them but this particular behaviour is nagging at me. Thoughts or suggestions?

**EDITED TO ADD** I've seen discussion of 'offset' which might(?) be pertinent to my question, but I don't have an offset option, nor can I find specific reference to VID in my bios.
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I posted about this in the Gigabyte 67/68 thread, but haven't had a response so I'll put it up here too, as I think more people will see it here....

(by the way, in case my rig doesn't show in sig, this is a 2500K + Z68X-UD3H-B3 bios vF10a)

...I don't know if this is specific to Giga's bios'. They call LLC 'Multi Step', I believe there are 10 steps. At level 5, load voltage will pass below (droop?) the bios setting. At level 6, it will (for me) always stay higher than the bios setting, even if it fluctuates downwards.

FOR EXAMPLE, I'm at 4.8, vcore is set to 1.410 and Power Step Level 6...
-at idle, it's much higher, mostly reporting 1.452 with occasional fluctuations to 1.464 or 1.440. 1.488 flashed on the screen briefly.
-at load, it spends almost all of the time at 1.440 but occasionally fluctuates to 1.428

Again, at level 5 under load, vcore fluctuates BELOW the bios setting and kills P95, though idle voltages are reporting .05-.10 lower.

I know there are a ton of other variables and settings, I've messed with most of them but this particular behaviour is nagging at me. Thoughts or suggestions?

**EDITED TO ADD** I've seen discussion of 'offset' which might(?) be pertinent to my question, but I don't have an offset option, nor can I find specific reference to VID in my bios.
I do believe I came across a similar issue whlist helping somebody else: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...ng-help-3.html

One of the most important things using LLC is to reduce or eliminate vdroop as much as possible, granted that mobo's vary and so does the vdroop, however increaing the vcore via voltage spikes with LLC can be dangerous.

That is why this is much better:

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Again, at level 5 under load, vcore fluctuates BELOW the bios setting and kills P95, though idle voltages are reporting .05-.10 lower.
atleast it is lower and you can increase the vcore in small increments to what is required for your stable overclock, that way you have more control of the vcore. Voltage fluctuations will happen, there is nothing that you can do to stop that, however what you can do is control it as much as possible, and I found that you can do that by reducing the LLC and increasing the vcore.

Keeping it below or the same as what is in the BIOS is the aim of LLC. Gigabyte BIOS has yet to fully mature, small but imprtant things like using offset with LLC is missing in some mobo's therefore some have to use manual vcore as a result of that.

When using manual voltage with Ultra high (75%) LLC my votlage didn't use to fluctuate as much, majority of the time it use to be at 1.472 and 1.480v which was fine. Ultra high LLC worked very well for my manual voltage selection.


When I recently changed to offset voltage with Ultra high (75%) LLC my vcore use to fluctuate under load to 1.464v / 1.472v / 1.480v / 1.488v. however what was strange was that it kept dropping to 1.464v at times.


I quickly changed to HIGH (50%) LLC with a higher offset value and it suprising responded very similarly to when I was using manual voltage, less fluctuation but the same stability and more importantly it didn't drop to 1.464v which was not stable prior to my first testing back when I started the club.

Hope that helps clear a few things up


By the way, have a little read at this: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...idge-read.html

Scroll down the OP to read a little about how LLC can determine stability and what affects it can have especially when used with offest voltage.
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Well all that os corruption because of BSOD make me think and I will re install it's not a big deal anyway only re download Crysis 2 is a headache... My interNet connection is only 3MB

While re installing windows should I keep all bios settings as default or keep my oc settings?

PS would you please update the spread sheet with my overclock i posted picture look post# 4360
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Well all that os corruption because of BSOD make me think and I will re install it's not a big deal anyway only re download Crysis 2 is a headache... My interNet connection is only 3MB

While re installing windows should I keep all bios settings as default or keep my oc settings?

PS would you please update the spread sheet with my overclock i posted picture look post# 4360
No should be fine. you can install it with how your bios settings are.

Sorry bud, might have missed that one, ill go back and update it right now
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Done K2mil

Your old submission to the club is still available in the old entries section which is sorted in alphabetical order, you can make your own comparison betwen your overclocks, voltage and temps, a bit like your own little database. Excellent job on getting the voltage down and the temps!!!

Previous submission:
4489.6mhz 1.360v 14hrs 65-71-71-69 http://www.overclock.net/15019402-post4072.html

New Submission:
4500.5mhz 1.320v 14hrs 64-68-68-68 http://www.overclock.net/15168670-post4360.html

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Thank you also in BIOS I use a v core 1.350 in windows under the load it shows 1.320 that's .030 difference I know that it's v droop. Is it ok or it's huge or regular what do you think ?
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Thank you also in BIOS I use a v core 1.350 in windows under the load it shows 1.320 that's .030 difference I know that it's v droop. Is it ok or it's huge or regular what do you think ?
sounds okay, you could try increasing the LLC and reducing the vcore a little to the same load voltage of 1.320, but if it spikes above what you set in the BIOS than forget it, it's better to have that than vrise (voltage spike)

Example, you set it to 1.350 and under load the vcore is 1.320 which is what you need for stability,

You then increase the LLC by one and leave the vcore at 1.350 your load vcore will higher than 1.320v but could around 1.345v which would be perfect, however you would still have to lower your bios vcore to 1.325v in order to get 1.320v under load with that same LLC. As long as the LLC doesn't increase what is set in the BIOS you're fine.

Hope that's not too confusing.
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Hope that's not too confusing.
It's good education I'm new to oc and love it I have to get some old sata HDD FOR let's call it strict oc testing

If you don't mid I post some bios pictures tomorrow so you could take a look and any advice would be appreciated.

Also I thought I read somewhere that you looking forward to get new mobo I love my asrock extreme 7 gen 3 it's sick I recommend it plus if you get it then You would master it and maybe I could take some Notes

Thanks
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It's good education I'm new to oc and love it I have to get some old sata HDD FOR let's call it strict oc testing

If you don't mid I post some bios pictures tomorro so you could take a look and any advice would be appreciated.

Also I thought I read somewhere that you looking forward to get new mobo I love my asrock extreme 7 gen 3 it's sick I recommend it plus if you get it the. You would master it and maybe I cold take some Notes

Thanks
LOL believe it or not I too am still learning, I need to get the hang of the all the other mobo's BIOS settings lol so far gigabyte has been a challenge for me lol.

Yeah sure go ahead, I'll try and help you out the best I can. Still waiting on confirmation from Asus regardin my RMA then we'll see what I end up with. I soooo wat to get the extreme7, it's so sexy and with ton's of features for a great price, but the only thing I worry about is the BIOS support and how quickly Asrock tend to problems when required, im not talking weekly BIOS releases but there are some that have been complainning about it's BIOS support, more specifically the Z68 GEN3 mobo's. Because I'm into benching and suicide runs, I will probably wait until a crazy bencher gets a hold of it and shows it potential, but that might not happen soon, so I might even be that crazy bencher lol only without LN2 or phase.

We'll see what happens in the next few days, im pretty much swapping out mobo's on a daily basis, currently got a P67 extreme4 but that's going tomorrow, had that installed yesterday after I took out the WS revo I had since my mobo died, not sure what mobo is next to try lol but I will either esttle down with the extreme7 or the M4E.

Can't wait.
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