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PrimeNet?
I was downloading the program from its website and the steps here: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/default.php says something about using PrimeNet (connecting to their servers) or something which I don't understand.
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Ok. I was confused earlier because all the while I thought that VDrop and VDroop are "technically" the differences between two voltage values. This is the reason why I concluded that VDroop is eliminated when using Offset because the "difference" between load and idle voltage is so big that it can't be considered a small change (originally what VDroop is all about). But I think this situation is similar to VDrop being "hidden" from us since the VCore is dynamically adjusted by the system when using Offset.
Exactly.



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I swear that I saw my BCLK frequency hover by a bit in CPU-Z but I'm not sure if it does it all the time, I have to check. In this case, it is better to disable Spread Spectrum? What disadvantage do I get by doing that?
If you're getting less than 100.0MHz at all times, like say 98.0 MHz (which is common for Z68 boards), then yeah disabling CPU Spread Spectrum is recommended.

MSI has a great description of what CPU Spread Spectrum is for:

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Spread Spectrum

When the mainboard’s clock generator pulses, the extreme values (spikes) of the pulses create EMI (Electromagnetic Interference). The Spread Spectrum function reduces the EMI generated by modulating the pulses so that the spikes of the pulses are reduced to flatter curves.

Important:
  • If you do not have any EMI problem, leave the setting at [Disabled] for optimal system stability and performance. But if you are plagued by EMI, select the value of Spread Spectrum for EMI reduction.
  • The greater the Spread Spectrum value is, the greater the EMI is reduced, and the system will become less stable. For the most suitable Spread Spectrum value, please consult your local EMI regulation.
  • Remember to disable Spread Spectrum if you are overclocking because even a slight jitter can introduce a temporary boost in clock speed which may just cause your overclocked processor to lock up.
That last bullet point is ONLY for BCLK overclocking! They're just covering their butts so that they don't have to use extra space in the manual just to explain that if you are not doing any BCLK overclocking then you don't have to disable CPU Spread Spectrum. I mean, it would also require them to find a way to explain why.


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Just a question on idle voltages and clocks, guys:

What would be a safe range to aim for to prevent an idle B.S.O.D/lock-up? That's my concern right now, I think I'm okay with attaining a safe overclock. However, right now I'm watching my CPU-Z and my idle voltage @ 1600MHz is fluctuating between 0.976V and 1.048V! Is this something I should be concerned with? I guess my question is, what's the lowest voltage that can maintain the 1600MHz that's set by SpeedStep?
If you're using an Offset Voltage, then it's best to put your mind at ease from this by disabling C3 and C6 if you have that option in the UEFI.


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I was downloading the program from its website and the steps here: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/default.php says something about using PrimeNet (connecting to their servers) or something which I don't understand.
No. I think PrimeNet is for people who want to help "discover" new prime numbers.

Prime95's original purpose was to simply "discover" new prime numbers. One day, overclockers discovered that this program is a great way to test the stability of an overclocked system. So over time, Prime95's developer changed Prime95 so that a part of its GUI is designed specifically for us. In the beginning, it was nothing like this.

Study their site to learn more. I mean all of the answers are on their site.
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If you're getting less than 100.0MHz at all times, like say 98.0 MHz (which is common for Z68 boards), then yeah disabling CPU Spread Spectrum is recommended.

MSI has a great description of what CPU Spread Spectrum is for:

That last bullet point is ONLY for BCLK overclocking! They're just covering their butts so that they don't have to use extra space in the manual just to explain that if you are not doing any BCLK overclocking then you don't have to disable CPU Spread Spectrum. I mean, it would also require them to find a way to explain why.
What if I get around +/- 0.3~0.5 from 100MHz only, can I just leave Spread Spectrum at enabled?

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No. I think PrimeNet is for people who want to help "discover" new prime numbers.

Prime95's original purpose was to simply "discover" new prime numbers. One day, overclockers discovered that this program is a great way to test the stability of an overclocked system. So over time, Prime95's developer changed Prime95 so that a part of its GUI is designed specifically for us. In the beginning, it was nothing like this.

Study their site to learn more. I mean all of the answers are on their site.
Ok, I just chose "just stress testing" and be done with it.

Now comes using it. I'm confused, lol. It is said in the OP to use 1344 and 1792 FFT sizes when stress testing. Quoting munaim1, it's:

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selct custom blend
Number of torure threads to run = 4
Min FTT size = 1344
Max FFT size 1344
Memory to use = 7000
TIme to run each FFT = 1 minute

Do the same for the 1792 and just change both FFT sizes and run each test for 15/20mins each. If you can pass both for that time it 'should' pass a 12hour custom blend test with all your available memory.
Is "time to run each FFT" the same as the "run time for each test (15/20 mins)"?

And if I pass the 1344 and 1792 test, which test is recommended to run for a long time and how long?
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If you're using an Offset Voltage, then it's best to put your mind at ease from this by disabling C3 and C6 if you have that option in the UEFI.
Just did this. Idle voltage @ 1600MHz no longer drops below 1.000V now, which is definitely something that puts my mind at ease. However, I heard disabling C3/C6 States can affect your computer's ability to sleep? I'm not sure if this was something that pertained to the P67 Extreme4, or Sandy Bridge, or my SSD...I'm trying to track down where I read that information since I do use sleep frequently.
    
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What if I get around +/- 0.3~0.5 from 100MHz only, can I just leave Spread Spectrum at enabled?
Just toggle CPU Spread Spectrum to see what the result is. If it means that it stays at 100.0 MHz as a result of disabling it, then leave it disabled. Or if you don't care, then leave it Enabled or Disabled. It's up to you. I mean, it's your system. There's no right or wrong for this.


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Ok, I just chose "just stress testing" and be done with it.

Now comes using it. I'm confused, lol. It is said in the OP to use 1344 and 1792 FFT sizes when stress testing. Quoting munaim1, it's:



Is "time to run each FFT" the same as the "run time for each test (15/20 mins)"?
Nope. The "Time to run each FFT size" refers to how long it runs that FFT size for. If you set it for 1 minute and if you are focusing on just one FFT size, then it will repeatedly run that FFT size for 1 minute at a time for as long as you let Prime95 run.

So let's say you use Blend Custom and set both fields to 1792 and you say 1 minute. If you run Prime95 for 30 minutes, then you'll get 30 runs of 1792K. However, I noticed that if I leave it at 15, then I get about 15 different "iterations" of that 1792K as opposed to just 1 iteration at a time of 1792 (or whatever FFT I decide to use). Each iteration takes about 1 minute to complete.

So just using Blend Custom where you don't specify one single FFT size, but you still set it to 1 minute, all self-tests will complete in 1 minute a piece. So instead of taking several hours to go through all of the FFT sizes (15 minutes per FFT size), it takes 1 minute a piece. However again, there's only 1 "iteration" per self-test. Whether or not more iterations is more "effective" is beyond me.


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And if I pass the 1344 and 1792 test, which test is recommended to run for a long time and how long?
Prime95's Blend Custom without a specified FFT size in either box (leave the boxes alone), but with the time set to 15 minutes and the amount of memory set to about 90% of your installed memory.


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Just did this. Idle voltage @ 1600MHz no longer drops below 1.000V now, which is definitely something that puts my mind at ease. However, I heard disabling C3/C6 States can affect your computer's ability to sleep? I'm not sure if this was something that pertained to the P67 Extreme4, or Sandy Bridge, or my SSD...I'm trying to track down where I read that information since I do use sleep frequently.
I'm not sure. I don't remember much, but I personally thought I read that it's affected by Internal PLL Overvoltage or something.

Good question.
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Nope. The "Time to run each FFT size" refers to how long it runs that FFT size for. If you set it for 1 minute and if you are focusing on just one FFT size, then it will repeatedly run that FFT size for 1 minute at a time for as long as you let Prime95 run.

So let's say you use Blend Custom and set both fields to 1792 and you say 1 minute. If you run Prime95 for 30 minutes, then you'll get 30 runs of 1792K. However, I noticed that if I leave it at 15, then I get about 15 different "iterations" of that 1792K as opposed to just 1 iteration at a time of 1792 (or whatever FFT I decide to use). Each iteration takes about 1 minute to complete.

So just using Blend Custom where you don't specify one single FFT size, but you still set it to 1 minute, all self-tests will complete in 1 minute a piece. So instead of taking several hours to go through all of the FFT sizes (15 minutes per FFT size), it takes 1 minute a piece. However again, there's only 1 "iteration" per self-test. Whether or not more iterations is more "effective" is beyond me.
But the most common method is to use 1 minute, right?

I also want to confirm that the "iterations" per worker is indicated by the actual "tests" run in that worker thread, right? I tried using 1 minute and when I was done I checked worker 1 and noticed that sometimes it does Test 1 and Test 2 in 1 minute and sometimes it only does Test 1. Is this normal?

If one worker stops, does that indicate also a problem?

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Prime95's Blend Custom without a specified FFT size in either box (leave the boxes alone), but with the time set to 15 minutes and the amount of memory set to about 90% of your installed memory.
And the usual run for this is 12 hours minimum, right?
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But the most common method is to use 1 minute, right?
I don't know, and I honestly think it doesn't matter. Some use 1 minute, others leave at 15. Some people probably even use a time other than 1 minute or 15 minutes.

There's no right or wrong.


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I also want to confirm that the "iterations" per worker is indicated by the actual "tests" run in that worker thread, right?
The reason why I used the word "iterations" is because Prime95 uses that word. Run a test and watch for it in each worker window. You will see the word "iteration" used.


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I tried using 1 minute and when I was done I checked worker 1 and noticed that sometimes it does Test 1 and Test 2 in 1 minute and sometimes it only does Test 1. Is this normal?
Absolutely!


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If one worker stops, does that indicate also a problem?
Yep. It means the overclock is not stable.


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And the usual run for this is 12 hours minimum, right?
Some people would disagree and would say that 12 hours is ridiculously long, but I strongly disagree. If I had the time and the patience, then I would be considering 24-hours as my personal minimum.
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I agree with TwoCables on the Prime95 times. I think a twelve hour Prime95 Blend run then twelve hour idling would prove the rig's rock solid - if using offset.

I think I've got my 24/7 O.C. set. 4.5GHz @ 1.280V load, 1.6GHz @ .992V idle. Just got to run the tests and then we'll see. Just had a question (again):

What should I do with Package C State Support? I've disabled C3/C6 (those affected my SSD by the way, so disabling them was a good ieda) but I've got no idea about Package C State. My UEFI offers these options regarding it: [AUTO], [C6], [C2], [DISABLED].
    
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Yep. It means the overclock is not stable.
Is it normal for worker #4 to be ALWAYS the on stopping? I'm trying to be stable at 4.7GHz right now and I'm at 1.405V in UEFI and worker #4 is consistently the one stopping.
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post
Is it normal for worker #4 to be ALWAYS the on stopping? I'm trying to be stable at 4.7GHz right now and I'm at 1.405V in UEFI and worker #4 is consistently the one stopping.
I feel like I got workers stopping errors when I tried overclocking my memory more often than the cpu. But if your memory isn't OC'd might as well tweak the voltage up some more.
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