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After doing some searches, I'm still a bit unsure: How does the IGPU affect overclocking? My bios offers options such as IGPU offset voltage, will lowering this or disabling the IGPU allow for cooler temps or alter the overall vcore? A dedicated vid card seems to make the IGPU somewhat obsolete...
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For anyone who has had a Prime95 crash and wants to know what FFT crashed them, here's a list of the FFTs that Prime95 Blend will test for you on your Core i3/i5/i7 in order of FFT tested!

This also holds true for a Custom where Min FFT = 8 K and Max FFT = 4096 K. Changing memory use or time to run each FFT doesn't matter, but changing CPU type or Min/Max FFT parameters does matter.

You can then go to your Prime95 directory, open up results.txt, and then skip to the last entry or entries that you see and that will tell you what the last successful test was. Then consult the list below and you'll see what tests were being run next, and that tells you what FFT length crashed your system.

You can now do a Custom run and skip right to that specific FFT (set Min and Max to the same value) and test it for 15 minutes after you tweak your settings in the BIOS. This should help you dial in a Sandy Stable much more easily than running a huge long 10 hour test just to get to that pesky 11th hour FFT that killed your system. smile.gif

The list of the 70 Prime95 Blend (or Custom with min FFT 8K and Max FFT 4096K) FFT sizes tested, in order, on a Core i3/i5/i7 CPU. (Click to show)
  1. 640K
  2. 8K
  3. 720K
  4. 12K
  5. 800K
  6. 16K
  7. 960K
  8. 24K
  9. 1120K
  10. 32K
  11. 1200K
  12. 48K
  13. 1344K
  14. 64K
  15. 1536K
  16. 80K
  17. 1680K
  18. 96K
  19. 1792K
  20. 128K
  21. 2048K
  22. 160K
  23. 2304K
  24. 224K
  25. 2560K
  26. 256K
  27. 2800K
  28. 320K
  29. 3072K
  30. 384K
  31. 3360K
  32. 448K
  33. 3584K
  34. 512K
  35. 576K
  36. 672K
  37. 10K
  38. 768K
  39. 14K
  40. 896K
  41. 20K
  42. 1024K
  43. 28K
  44. 1152K
  45. 40K
  46. 1280K
  47. 56K
  48. 1440K
  49. 72K
  50. 1600K
  51. 84K
  52. 1728K
  53. 112K
  54. 1920K
  55. 144K
  56. 2240K
  57. 192K
  58. 2400K
  59. 240K
  60. 2688K
  61. 288K
  62. 2880K
  63. 336K
  64. 3200K
  65. 400K
  66. 3456K
  67. 480K
  68. 3840K
  69. 560K
  70. 4096K

And the length of this list, at 70 entries, also raises some serious questions about whether or not a 12 hour test is enough.

For anyone who thinks that 12 hours is "enough" to test your Sandy Bridge, unless you modify the time to run each FFT, 12 hours doesn't even begin to test them all. It will test roughly 2/3 of them.

There are 70 FFTs that Prime95 will test in Torture Test Blend mode on a Core i3/i5/i7 if the Min FFT size (in K) = 8 and the Max FFT size (in K) = 4096. It's always the same order and it will repeat indefinitely until you shut it off. Customizing it to change the Memory to use (in MB) does not have any effect on the order. I have not tried with FFTs in-place. Changing the Time to run each FFT size (in minutes) has no effect on the order either, just how long the CPU will spend on each set of tests. (Even one minute will test each FFT in 2 passes, meaning that in 1 hours and 10 minutes you can test every FFT).

No, I am not advocating that a 70 minute test of 1 minute FFT duration is enough for stability, in fact, quite the opposite. I think that 15 minutes per test (the default value) is a value that is adequate, but at 15 minutes per test multiplied by 70 tests, you get 1,050 minutes or 17.5 hours. Since there will be some core load imbalance, 18 hours will get each core to test each FFT for 15 minutes reliably.

(There's a reason I ran an 18 hour run my first time in this thread!)

I'm not suggesting that munaim1 change the rules of this Club, but I am suggesting that anyone who is seriously concerned with stability to re-test their system for an 18 hour Blend Customized for 90% RAM use.

In fact, since some folks have said that they can pass 15 minute length tests all day long and then fail on 20 or 25 minutes, I think that the ultimate in stability would be a 30 minute time to test each FFT for a 36 hour stability run.
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That better? I downclocked a bit due to high room temps....and no MOSFET cooling
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Hello all, how do i set the cpu offset.. i can only find igpu offset? i want to lower voltage and clock when not under load to save swapping bios settings dependant upon what i am using the computer for at the time...

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For anyone who has had a Prime95 crash and wants to know what FFT crashed them, here's a list of the FFTs that Prime95 Blend will test for you on your Core i3/i5/i7 in order of FFT tested!

This also holds true for a Custom where Min FFT = 8 K and Max FFT = 4096 K. Changing memory use or time to run each FFT doesn't matter, but changing CPU type or Min/Max FFT parameters does matter.

You can then go to your Prime95 directory, open up results.txt, and then skip to the last entry or entries that you see and that will tell you what the last successful test was. Then consult the list below and you'll see what tests were being run next, and that tells you what FFT length crashed your system.

You can now do a Custom run and skip right to that specific FFT (set Min and Max to the same value) and test it for 15 minutes after you tweak your settings in the BIOS. This should help you dial in a Sandy Stable much more easily than running a huge long 10 hour test just to get to that pesky 11th hour FFT that killed your system. smile.gif

The list of the 70 Prime95 Blend (or Custom with min FFT 8K and Max FFT 4096K) FFT sizes tested, in order, on a Core i3/i5/i7 CPU. (Click to show)
  1. 640K
  2. 8K
  3. 720K
  4. 12K
  5. 800K
  6. 16K
  7. 960K
  8. 24K
  9. 1120K
  10. 32K
  11. 1200K
  12. 48K
  13. 1344K
  14. 64K
  15. 1536K
  16. 80K
  17. 1680K
  18. 96K
  19. 1792K
  20. 128K
  21. 2048K
  22. 160K
  23. 2304K
  24. 224K
  25. 2560K
  26. 256K
  27. 2800K
  28. 320K
  29. 3072K
  30. 384K
  31. 3360K
  32. 448K
  33. 3584K
  34. 512K
  35. 576K
  36. 672K
  37. 10K
  38. 768K
  39. 14K
  40. 896K
  41. 20K
  42. 1024K
  43. 28K
  44. 1152K
  45. 40K
  46. 1280K
  47. 56K
  48. 1440K
  49. 72K
  50. 1600K
  51. 84K
  52. 1728K
  53. 112K
  54. 1920K
  55. 144K
  56. 2240K
  57. 192K
  58. 2400K
  59. 240K
  60. 2688K
  61. 288K
  62. 2880K
  63. 336K
  64. 3200K
  65. 400K
  66. 3456K
  67. 480K
  68. 3840K
  69. 560K
  70. 4096K

And the length of this list, at 70 entries, also raises some serious questions about whether or not a 12 hour test is enough.

For anyone who thinks that 12 hours is "enough" to test your Sandy Bridge, unless you modify the time to run each FFT, 12 hours doesn't even begin to test them all. It will test roughly 2/3 of them.

There are 70 FFTs that Prime95 will test in Torture Test Blend mode on a Core i3/i5/i7 if the Min FFT size (in K) = 8 and the Max FFT size (in K) = 4096. It's always the same order and it will repeat indefinitely until you shut it off. Customizing it to change the Memory to use (in MB) does not have any effect on the order. I have not tried with FFTs in-place. Changing the Time to run each FFT size (in minutes) has no effect on the order either, just how long the CPU will spend on each set of tests. (Even one minute will test each FFT in 2 passes, meaning that in 1 hours and 10 minutes you can test every FFT).

No, I am not advocating that a 70 minute test of 1 minute FFT duration is enough for stability, in fact, quite the opposite. I think that 15 minutes per test (the default value) is a value that is adequate, but at 15 minutes per test multiplied by 70 tests, you get 1,050 minutes or 17.5 hours. Since there will be some core load imbalance, 18 hours will get each core to test each FFT for 15 minutes reliably.

(There's a reason I ran an 18 hour run my first time in this thread!)

I'm not suggesting that munaim1 change the rules of this Club, but I am suggesting that anyone who is seriously concerned with stability to re-test their system for an 18 hour Blend Customized for 90% RAM use.

In fact, since some folks have said that they can pass 15 minute length tests all day long and then fail on 20 or 25 minutes, I think that the ultimate in stability would be a 30 minute time to test each FFT for a 36 hour stability run.

Noted, thanks for the information. thumb.gif

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That better? I downclocked a bit due to high room temps....and no MOSFET cooling

Looks good, however picture res is a little low, nevertheless, I'll add it to the spreadsheet. Thanks for contributing bud. Appreciate it thumb.gif
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Hello all, how do i set the cpu offset.. i can only find igpu offset? i want to lower voltage and clock when not under load to save swapping bios settings dependant upon what i am using the computer for at the time...

pm please as this thread is humungous!

Enable C1E and Speedstep (EIST) Disable both C3 and C6 and set CPU voltage to offset. The actual offset value will be dependant on what your VID is under load. You can view the VID in realtemp like so:

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With that value you subtract or add an offset value to get your desired voltage under load. So for example, you need 1.335v for your overclock and your VID is 1.355v, you will need an offset value of -0.020v (1.355 - 0.020 = 1.335) give or take to allow 1.335v under load.

Hope that helps.
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Back with a new 2700K. This one is a bit better. I was able to complete 12 hours Prime Blend at 4.8 with vcore of 1.360 in BIOS. Vcore in CPU-Z jumped from 1.352-1.360-1.368. VID in realtemp jumped from 1.3511 to 1.3561. This CPU is at 1.120 default voltage in BIOS at stock settings. I may be able to get the vcore lower, I hope.biggrin.gif

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Manual vcore 1.360
PLL 1.70
Duty Cycle Extreme
Phase Cycle Exreme
VRM Manual 350
CPU Current Capability 140%
Everything else auto/stock
Max Core Temps 64 73 70 69
Ambient temps from 20.3 to 21.3
I'll take some BIOS shots and add them.
Pic is attached.

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Edit: BIOS Templates Attached
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My desktop displays to my TV...my TV is only 768p or 1360x768...and Flickr only allows me to have a pic resolution of 1024x576....sad i know...
Hopefully after my case mod I can get a nice high res screen...
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Back with a new 2700K. This one is a bit better. I was able to complete 12 hours Prime Blend at 4.8 with vcore of 1.360 in BIOS. Vcore in CPU-Z jumped from 1.352-1.360-1.368. VID in realtemp jumped from 1.3511 to 1.3561. This CPU is at 1.120 default voltage in BIOS at stock settings. I may be able to get the vcore lower, I hope.biggrin.gif

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Manual vcore 1.360
PLL 1.70
Duty Cycle Extreme
Phase Cycle Exreme
VRM Manual 350
CPU Current Capability 140%
Everything else auto/stock
Max Core Temps 64 73 70 69
I'll take some BIOS shots and add them.
Pic is attached.

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Cheers bud, I'll update your entry thumb.gif

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My desktop displays to my TV...my TV is only 768p or 1360x768...and Flickr only allows me to have a pic resolution of 1024x576....sad i know...
Hopefully after my case mod I can get a nice high res screen...

No worries, in future, you don't need to host your images elsewhere, just use OCN image attachment (located next to the paperclip) and it'll upload the image as you have it (no downscaling) thumb.gif




For those that missed it, choose your sig and wear it proudly, Copy and Paste whichever you want smile.gif smile.gif


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BIOS TEMPLATES

I have created a sheet for BIOS templates, it could be a reference point to other's including oneself and a quick 'copy and paste' whenever required in other threads/posts etc.

Those that have posted their stable systems please spare a few minutes of your time to do this. One more thing, these are the ones im after:
  • Main BIOS page (The advanced settings main page)

  • Full AI tweaker Page including DRAM Timing control

  • CPU Configuration Page


Spreadsheet contains voltage info, temperature info, cooling info, BIOS templates and seperate sheets hava been created for all of those, including one which filters the i5 and i7. This should be helpful to SB users and those looking to get SB, it also helps provide real world data regarding how the coolers are performing, what temps people are getting with the overclocks and at what kind of votlages, I think that it s a great addition to OCN and one that SB and non SB users can benefit from.


Thanks to all that contributed to this thread and spreadsheet, would not have been possible without you guys thumb.gif


We currently have just over 230 members and we are looking for MORE tongue.gif


SO GET POSTING GUYS BUT REMEMBER TO FOLLOW THE RULES!!!!


And again thanks to all those participated, we have some excellent club members here!!!!

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Munaim1, I added BIOS templates to my OC post a couple above. I hope they're showing for you. I have to click on history to see them.
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Munaim1, I added BIOS templates to my OC post a couple above. I hope they're showing for you. I have to click on history to see them.

Nope, just edit your above post and add them there thumb.gif
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