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Hey munaim1, seeing you have the same mobo as me. Can you explain VRM frequency and CPU PLL voltage to me? Thanks in advance. ( I have BIOS 1502)
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K It's time to get in the club. Starting my test now @ 4.6ghz

If it can fold for 24 hours straight, it should do fine with prime
Yeah, I thought the same thing too.. I had been running stable in real-world usage (heavy Photoshop/Illustrator work, folding, gaming/etc) for weeks at 4.8GHz with 1.41 or 1.42 vcore..., but I crash every time that Prime95 gets to the 1792K FFTs (which is something like 4 hours in)

I made two runs last night, both lasted 4 hours.. one crashed on the 96Ks (which is right before 1792K FFTs), and then the next time it crashed on the 1792Ks. I've reproduced these crashes by doing a "custom" run in P95.

I can get past the 96Ks, but it needs ridiculous voltages (1.448vcore, 1.15+ VCCIO). As for the 1792Ks, I just can't get by those... even when I downclock to 4.7. I also tried lowering my RAM down to 1333MHz and 10-10-10-27-2T timings, just in case that was an issue.. but it didn't help. I am still a little bit suspicious about the RAM, so I'll do some memtest86 later today.

The only good news is that my aircooling setup kept my max temps at only 60/68/68/66 after 4 hours, and this was at 1.440 vcore (and 23C ambient). It might be time to take a gamble and buy a different chip... I really feel like I should be able to run 5.0 GHz at relatively low temps, even with a mediocre chip.

Anyway.. I hope to join the club someday, but I guess it has to wait for now.
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Alright guys, as you know I was able to hit a stable overclock at 4.6 GHz using v1.28. I ran Prime95 for around 24 Hours now and Small FTT for 8 Hours with no issues! However, when playing lower quality games like League of Legends or watching a youtube video, I'd sometimes get a 0x000001E BSOD.

I've ruled out memory and I've tried every suggestion given to me. I've come to the conclusion that while its stabled running at v1.28, when the CPU downclocks during lower loads or idle, so does my Voltage. So could it be possible that my Voltage scaling with my CPU is causing the instability? When Idle I'm at around v0.95 and it runs fine, but if I start running lower consuming programs it starts to get unstable. Should I disable speedstep or would raising my voltage higher fix it? I've already gone as high as v1.315 and still get BSODs.
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Speedboat LS;968053Yeah, I thought the same thing too.. I had been running stable in real-world usage (heavy Photoshop/Illustrator work, folding, gaming/etc) for weeks at 4.8GHz with 1.41 or 1.42 vcore..., but I crash every time that Prime95 gets to the 1792K FFTs (which is something like 4 hours in)
Thanks. I still havn't gotten the time to run Prime for 12 hours straight, But I decided to run 1792K FFTs for an hour to see what happens. Stable for an hour so I stopped the process. How long does it take to crash it?
     
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Alright guys, as you know I was able to hit a stable overclock at 4.6 GHz using v1.28. I ran Prime95 for around 24 Hours now and Small FTT for 8 Hours with no issues! However, when playing lower quality games like League of Legends or watching a youtube video, I'd sometimes get a 0x000001E BSOD.

I've ruled out memory and I've tried every suggestion given to me. I've come to the conclusion that while its stabled running at v1.28, when the CPU downclocks during lower loads or idle, so does my Voltage. So could it be possible that my Voltage scaling with my CPU is causing the instability? When Idle I'm at around v0.95 and it runs fine, but if I start running lower consuming programs it starts to get unstable. Should I disable speedstep or would raising my voltage higher fix it? I've already gone as high as v1.315 and still get BSODs.
Use manual voltage instead of offset.
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Thanks. I still havn't gotten the time to run Prime for 12 hours straight, But I decided to run 1792K FFTs for an hour to see what happens. Stable for an hour so I stopped the process. How long does it take to crash it?
I think what you should do is just run Prime95 blend for 12+ hours straight first, before trying to target a specific FFT size. If you keep crashing at one specific spot, then you can take steps to figure out what it is, and target it. You can look at the P95 log to find out which FFT size you last successfully completed, and then you can search around to find which one comes next. (they always go in the same order) Then you can test that one with a "custom" run in P95.

It's very likely that 1792K won't necessarily be a problem for you, as it is for me.. all chips & rigs are a bit different. For me, it will crash in just a few minutes, even with 1.448 vcore. Trying to go more than 3-4 hours requires a lot more vcore than just running it for an hour (I was 1-hour stable at 1.416).. There are certain tests that cause more trouble than others... and like I said, I still didn't pass 1792K FFTs with a voltage that I would consider using 24/7.

So, you should go for a 12-hour+ test when you get the chance.. if there is any instability it is very likely that it will find it.
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Use manual voltage instead of offset.
Does this really make a noticeable difference in your testing? I am not doubting your experience, but in my tests (and I've done hundreds of them), it didn't make any difference whatsoever.. it's just a little bit harder to "dial in" the voltage you want, especially when using LLC.
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Does this really make a noticeable difference in your testing? I am not doubting your experience, but in my tests (and I've done hundreds of them), it didn't make any difference whatsoever.. it's just a little bit harder to "dial in" the voltage you want, especially when using LLC.
By using ofset voltage your are saving at most 5w at idle. In order
To get stable at sub 100% load using offset voltage, I've had to use more voltage than needed for 100% load. I switched to manual after that and never looked back to revisit the issue.
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Alright guys, as you know I was able to hit a stable overclock at 4.6 GHz using v1.28. I ran Prime95 for around 24 Hours now and Small FTT for 8 Hours with no issues! However, when playing lower quality games like League of Legends or watching a youtube video, I'd sometimes get a 0x000001E BSOD.

I've ruled out memory and I've tried every suggestion given to me. I've come to the conclusion that while its stabled running at v1.28, when the CPU downclocks during lower loads or idle, so does my Voltage. So could it be possible that my Voltage scaling with my CPU is causing the instability? When Idle I'm at around v0.95 and it runs fine, but if I start running lower consuming programs it starts to get unstable. Should I disable speedstep or would raising my voltage higher fix it? I've already gone as high as v1.315 and still get BSODs.

What kind of CPU cooler are you using?
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By using ofset voltage your are saving at most 5w at idle. In order
To get stable at sub 100% load using offset voltage, I've had to use more voltage than needed for 100% load. I switched to manual after that and never looked back to revisit the issue.
Yeah, I understand. I haven't noticed that this poarticular chip needs less voltage with Manual, but you're right that the difference in power usage is very little. At first, I think I didn't like the idea of constantly pushing 1.43v+ through my CPU 24/7, with absolutely no let up... but it looks like these chips are tough little things.

I am going to try some more configs with EIST and C states disabled.. I really want to get 4.8 at a reasonable voltage, and EIST/C states are about the only other thing I can try at this point.
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