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hi,

first post. redface.gif
first build. smile.gif
first overclock. biggrin.gif

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bit crowded on this old 1024x768 lcd. did the best i could.

not a refined oc by any means, but should be fine i'd think for such a mild oc (voltage/ temp wise).
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Super Sandy Stable Submission! - AMENDED WITH OFFICIAL CRITERIA! biggrin.gif

Finally got my rig stable with 4.6GHz with a 2600K! thumb.gif

Loaded:
338

Idle:
338
Additional RAM information if required as well for the official submission (Click to show)
338
Included here is the double check test proposed by Shad0wfax that changes the intervals to 10mins to ensure all FFTs are run through within a 12 hour interval (Click to show)
Loaded:
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Idle:
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RAM info:
700
BIOS/UEFI Settings (Click to show)
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Update: Actual RAM settings for Super Stable Run (prior upload was modified after run)
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Finally! biggrin.gif
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Can you clarify a couple points for me? Very noob still when it comes to OC'ing. What do you mean case-modded? Means you modified the parameters of your case in terms of cabling / airflow, or you changed the fan settings in the BIOS, both?


When I say that I "case-modded" what I meant was that I modified my physical PC case to change the airflow properties. There's an entire section on this site dedicated to case-mods and some folks make some beautiful looking cases with custom themes that are also functional. There's even a brief-case mATX casemod up in the mod of the month competition.

 

I also changed my fan speed profiles in the BIOS to help with temperatures, but that's not a "case-mod."


 

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Excellent explaination, thanks. I'll even use your spoiler info for re-investigating my LLC versus turbo settings. Makes complete sense.

One thing I wasn't sure of however, is how do you determine what your target voltage is for 1.6GHz? I saw posts (maybe they were old or older mobos?) that said if you are below 1.000V for ASRock mobos, which is my brand, causes higher risk for BSODs. Currently Vcore at 1.6GHz is like 0.96V.

Thanks much!

Trial and error I guess, reduce the either the core voltage and increase the Additional Turbo voltage or increase LLC setting which will ultimately require you to use less voltage (be lower during idle but the same for what you require under load for stability).

If it's running fine with 0.96v then that's fine, if you wish to lower it further and keep your load voltage the same, try increasing the LLC setting and reducing the offset or core voltage.


Yes, as munaim1 said, trial and error is the only way to know how low you can go and I agree that 0.960 Vcore at idle is perfectly fine. When you start getting BSODs at low core voltages, you need to increase your positive offset (or decrease your negative offset values) to compensate.

 

I've run my system as low as 0.920V at idle. It may even handle lower voltages at idle but I've not yet discovered what the minimum is. (I know of one person who idles at 0.776 Vcore!) Every motherboard and CPU are different though.

 

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I normally don't recommend much LLC, but if you're getting extreme Vdroop, you could increase your LLC level by one increment. You'd have to decrease the offset voltage and/or additional turbo voltage accordingly, but it does seem to help some.

I was able to get 4.5 GHz stable Regular LLC (disabled / 0%) , and was able to go from 4.6 GHz through 4.9 GHz with Medium LLC (25%). When I went up to 5.0 and 5.1 GHz I needed to use High LLC (50%) to combat the Vdroop.

Every CPU is different and our motherboards are not exactly the same model, so the frequencies may be a bit off, but you might try increasing your LLC slightly and see how it goes. (I wouldn't go beyond High at 4.8 GHz though and I'd never use Extreme LLC at any clock speed.)

 


have you tried disabling flash hardware acceleration?
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I normally don't recommend much LLC, but if you're getting extreme Vdroop, you could increase your LLC level by one increment. You'd have to decrease the offset voltage and/or additional turbo voltage accordingly, but it does seem to help some.

I was able to get 4.5 GHz stable Regular LLC (disabled / 0%) , and was able to go from 4.6 GHz through 4.9 GHz with Medium LLC (25%). When I went up to 5.0 and 5.1 GHz I needed to use High LLC (50%) to combat the Vdroop.

Every CPU is different and our motherboards are not exactly the same model, so the frequencies may be a bit off, but you might try increasing your LLC slightly and see how it goes. (I wouldn't go beyond High at 4.8 GHz though and I'd never use Extreme LLC at any clock speed.)

 


have you tried disabling flash hardware acceleration?


I haven't found that flash (or browser) hardware acceleration has anything to do with my Vdroop. Disabling hardware acceleration did increase my stability of my overclocked GPU for folding@home, but I did not notice any impact on my CPU overclock at all in terms of voltage, voltage droop, or need for a small bit of LLC.

 

Also, when stress-testing in Prime95, I wasn't running any flash or web browsers, so I fail to see how that would impact my stability for Prime95 either.

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LOL sorry shad0wfax, in fact i was going to quote a guy's BSOD when youtubing issue:D

I still want to thank you, after taking your advices, now I'm running completely stable.thumb.gif

offset -0.45v, add. voltage +0.368v, LLC level 3 (I think it is about 50% with ASRock boards), PLL voltage1.586v.

With above settings I could get 1600MHz @ 0.94v and 4700MHz @ 1.368~1.374v, VID is about 1.4662v, temperature is about 72~76 degrees C.

I do observed with less LLC level I could get better temp / performance on the same freq. like you've said.

And maybe PLL voltage is too affecting the temp, not 100% sure about that.tongue.gif

Now I have a LLC-Performance dilemma, with less LLC i could get better temp and performance, but sometimes at temporary high load, the vcore will spike like crazy (in my case 1.392 or even 1.408v). And with more LLC i could get a smoother load line, but the wasteheat produced by LLC and the cycling will eat my performance.
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LOL sorry shad0wfax, in fact i was going to quote a guy's BSOD when youtubing issue:D

I still want to thank you, after taking your advices, now I'm running completely stable.:thumb:

offset -0.45v, add. voltage +0.368v, LLC level 3 (I think it is about 50% with ASRock boards), PLL voltage1.586v.

With above settings I could get 1600MHz @ 0.94v and 4700MHz @ 1.368~1.374v, VID is about 1.4662v, temperature is about 72~76 degrees C.

I do observed with less LLC level I could get better temp / performance on the same freq. like you've said.

And maybe PLL voltage is too affecting the temp, not 100% sure about that.:p

Now I have a LLC-Performance dilemma, with less LLC i could get better temp and performance, but sometimes at temporary high load, the vcore will spike like crazy (in my case 1.392 or even 1.408v). And with more LLC i could get a smoother load line, but the wasteheat produced by LLC and the cycling will eat my performance.

 

You're welcome! I'm glad that you're completely stable at a preliminary level! Now it's time for you to follow the first post in this thread and show us a 12+ hour Prime95 blend run. Go for the gold, and try an 18 hour Prime Blend Custom > 90% RAM run, while you're at it! (This is once you're done tweaking your OC profile, of course.)


It's my opinion that stability comes first, overclock efficiency comes second (this includes thermal performance), and a smoother load line is of the least importance, so long as you don't exceed your own personal maximum voltages. Vdroop is not a bad thing; it's part of the design features of these CPUs and there's no reason to smooth out our load lines, so long as our load lines are within our own comfort limits for maximum values.

 

You can reduce LLC further if you wish, so long as you end up stable. "Spiking" up to 1.408 Vcore shouldn't harm your system at all. Many people operate at 1.408 Vcore 24/7. LLC rarely has any impact on stability at all, apart from increasing thermal output which may decrease stability at extreme values. LLC is simply a Vdroop control measure.

 

Reducing PLL voltage seemed to reduce temperatures for me as well. Reducing PLL voltage had no impact on my system stability, other than that if I set PLL voltage too low, I could not boot.

 

And that makes sense about the BSOD encountered with YouTube and the misquote. When you quoted me and responded with that I was wondering if you knew some magical secret that defied logic with the LLC setting and disabling flash hardware acceleration. laugher.gif

 

 

 

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Here is my submission of my new build. I will be running, an 18 + hours prime blend tomorrow, hopefully all will go well.
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Now it's time for you to follow the first post in this thread and show us a 12+ hour Prime95 blend run. Go for the gold, and try an 18 hour Prime Blend Custom > 90% RAM run, while you're at it! (This is once you're done tweaking your OC profile, of course.)

What is the super stable club requirement? I saw several posts, and mentioning suggestions to the requirements (like Shad0wfax's recommendation to not avoid FFTs after and including 2699K), but anything other than 90% RAM to custom blend from the stable club requirements on the first post of the thread was mentioned. Maybe I missed it? Is it indeed:
1.) 12 hr Prime95 with 90% RAM @ 15 min intervals,
2.) 12 hr Prime 95 with with 90% @ 10 min intervals (so you get all the FFTs), or
3.) 18 hour Prime Blend with 90% @ 15?

I thought option 2 was viable, which is what I was continually failing until I resolved my Vtt/Vccio issue with my 16GB of RAM, and quite frankly was my submission.

In any case, if option 2 is not a criteria because the 10 min interval is too low, already running number 3 right now 11 hours in and so far no issue. Only on run #43, so not to the diabolical #60 yet. However I may stop at 12 hours, for now, and run an 18 @ 15 minute intervals later if it's indeed the requirement.

Thanks all,

EDIT: I know at the end of the day, this is about having a truely stable rig and not about a tag on a sig. Just wondering if the impact of the 10 minute intervals is that critical to the testing cycles or not. Meanwhile, though it would be good to mention that I already ran (ahead of my submission) a custom blend of 1344 / 1792/ 2688 @ 90 RAM at 1 minute intervals for 20 minutes each or more. So that's what I do always before I kick off my submission threads. smile.gif
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What is the super stable club requirement? I saw several posts, and mentioning suggestions to the requirements (like Shad0wfax's recommendation to not avoid FFTs after and including 2699K), but anything other than 90% RAM to custom blend from the stable club requirements on the first post of the thread was mentioned. Maybe I missed it?


From the OP:

 

1) Run Prime95 for 12 hours on Blend (Sandy Stable)  OR Run Prime95 for 12 hours on Custom Blend using up to 80 or 90% of available RAM used. (Sandy Super Stable)

2) Include screen-shot while system is under load that shows your OCN name, 3 isntances of CPU-Z v 1.57.1 or higher.  (1 for voltage, 1 for RAM, 1 for motherboard information), 1 instance of Realtemp 3.67 or higher which must show the duration of how long it has been running and the single instance of Prime95 (running all workers) must also be visible to show how long the workers (one per core) have been running. Note that you don't have to enable Hyper Threading if you don't want to. If you have an i7 and want to leave HT enabled, then you should have 2 Prime95 workers per core, instead of 1 per core. The time that Prime95 has been running should match the time shown for how long RealTemp has been running. Z68 Gigabyte motherboard users must show easytune6 hwmonitor tab and evga motherboard users must use the evga e-leet utility for core voltage reading.

3) Show your type of cooling in notepad. Include a CPU-Z of your RAM, Core Voltage, Motherboard Information. If running Super Stable on a Custom Blend, show Task Manager displaying performance tab.

4) Have a Sandy Bridge overclocked to at least 4.0 GHz.

 

The 18 hour thing to test every FFT is simply my recommendation for your own peace of mind of having tested every single FFT length as opposed to 2/3 of them.

 

Unless munaim1 says otherwise, changing the FFT times to 10 minutes to test every FFT in 12 hours would invalidate your Stable / Super Stable Club results, because the only "custom" option allowed by the rules is to increase RAM use.

 

The only reason I brought up the 10 minute interval is if you wanted to test FFT lengths on your own and couldn't dedicate 18 hours to test; it was an example, and has nothing to do with the Stable or Super Stable Club memberships. I am sorry if that confused anyone. (I also mentioned that you could test each FFT length for 1 minute and run a 70 minute long test to hit every FFT length.)

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