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The silver arrow can handle 5GHz and ivy bridge and .....................
The limit isn't heat, it is voltage now. Die shrinks = less heat and less voltage.
2 years from now it'll 15nm die and max 1v to the cpu, and you can have a 200$ custom water loop, or just have no cooling at all. That is the trend. Water cooling is a dying breed.
I don't say that because i'm too cheap to buy water cooling components. I'm going to have a Kepler or 580 in my rig very very soon. But reality is that sometimes, as tech advances, some companies lose out. Water is one of them. And yes, I will be hated on by everyone who spent money on a neon coloured water system. Sorry in advance.

Your wrong, Water wont go anywhere anytime soon. It allow's for more voltage to be used safely. better yet to get those temps on my arrow, I cannot use the TY-140's. They don't flow enough. I have some bog honking san ace 1011's to handle the massive heat load.. Water offer's 2 major things over air, First being you can have higher voltage's, second water cooling can have that massive high voltage and be quieter than air, GPU's benifit the most form water cooling in the noise to temp ratio. Water cooling won't be going anywhere anytime soon lol
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Your wrong, Water wont go anywhere anytime soon. It allow's for more voltage to be used safely. better yet to get those temps on my arrow, I cannot use the TY-140's. They don't flow enough. I have some bog honking san ace 1011's to handle the massive heat load.. Water offer's 2 major things over air, First being you can have higher voltage's, second water cooling can have that massive high voltage and be quieter than air, GPU's benifit the most form water cooling in the noise to temp ratio. Water cooling won't be going anywhere anytime soon lol

I respect your knowledge but have to disagree. 2 years from now water will be L M F A O kind of thing.

Ivy bridge will probably be OC to the max PASSIVELY by Silver arrow or any air cooling like noctua etc. The limit is voltage, not heat. I've looked at the spread sheet for the 5GHz club and the sandy stable club, the top guy is on air. Water does not give you a higher OC, it just gives you less heat. But these chips can handle the heat and every new generation demands less voltage and less heat.

Water is dead < 1 year. Bank on it.

Of course LN2 and extreme methods can push it higher, but there is no differential between air and water that makes water worth the price. For benchmarks of course, it is better to place your mobo on Mars in the shade and see 7GHz. If you want to pay the 2 billion dollar price tag, go ahead.

Not to berate the point, but what is the max STABLE OC anyone ever got from an i5 2500k on water? Was it 5.1 or 5.2? I know it wasn't 6. Air can cool it max 70c at 5GHz.

Where is the guy with the 'water cooled rig' running sandy bridge at 6GHz. Show me and i'll happily quiet down.
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I respect your knowledge but have to disagree. 2 years from now water will be L M F A O kind of thing.
Ivy bridge will probably be OC to the max PASSIVELY by Silver arrow or any air cooling like noctua etc. The limit is voltage, not heat. I've looked at the spread sheet for the 5GHz club and the sandy stable club, the top guy is on air. Water does not give you a higher OC, it just gives you less heat. But these chips can handle the heat and every new generation demands less voltage and less heat.
Water is dead < 1 year. Bank on it.
Of course LN2 and extreme methods can push it higher, but there is no differential between air and water that makes water worth the price. For benchmarks of course, it is better to place your mobo on Mars in the shade and see 7GHz. If you want to pay the 2 billion dollar price tag, go ahead.
Not to berate the point, but what is the max STABLE OC anyone ever got from an i5 2500k on water? Was it 5.1 or 5.2? I know it wasn't 6. Air can cool it max 70c at 5GHz.
Where is the guy with the 'water cooled rig' running sandy bridge at 6GHz. Show me and i'll happily quiet down.

But there is. My air cooler can do the OC I want, but not at an acceptable noise level. Save with my GPU. The air cooler can handle my OC just fine. Problem is where I live it gets HOT in the summer. The only way air cooling can keep up is way to loud for my taste. If I want to keep my clock's and lower the noise I have no choice. I still don't see water cooling going anywhere anytime soon. Beside's it's not like you have to, or have had to ever WC. Its a choice, it never was and never will be mandatory. I'll be the first to say air can keep up, but its also a preference.

Ok, back on subject to stability. lulz

EDIT: cooler hardware lasts longer too.
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Sorry but I have to agree on ilikebeer on this one. Voltage is the limit in OC provided you have a decent heatsink.
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Sorry but I have to agree on ilikebeer on this one. Voltage is the limit in OC provided you have a decent heatsink.

never said that voltage wasn't the limit, I only disagree that water cooling is going to go away in the next few years. It never was "needed" before, yet people still used it. It isn't "needed" now and people use it, it won't be "needed" in the future but people will still do it.
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If its about noise, you should replace your fans then.
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never said that voltage wasn't the limit, I only disagree that water cooling is going to go away in the next few years. It never was "needed" before, yet people still used it. It isn't "needed" now and people use it, it won't be "needed" in the future but people will still do it.

My thoughts are the same with ilikebeer's.
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If its about noise, you should replace your fans then.

I have, temps get to high for my liking.
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Well, if the dies are shrinking and they're increasing the max multis, doesn't that just mean it will be possible to OC to like 7 GHz on ivy? Have fun doing that on air. Now or any time soon. While I'll agree that die shrinks and more efficient designs mean lower heat output, there will invariably be a higher end, as long as they unlock the chips, which will benefit from better cooling. The only way that would change is if they made the wiring so small the thing would short out from overvoltage before it got hot enough to matter. Then you COULDN'T overclock it enough to matter. Not saying that can't happen, but I don't think we're so close to that today.
 
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