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Gave it a shot, ended up needing a small vcore bump but I'm stable now.

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so i have been messing with my vtt and pll voltage and iv noticed if i leave em where they are now prime will run fine for a good 20mins if i drop one down lets say the pll like i did last time it gives me error 101 after around 10mins

im just fine tuning some volts is all im doing

99x 49 = 4.85 ghz

1.480 vcore
1.373 vtt
1.791 cpu pll <----moving this to 1.750 caused bsod 101

im used to overclocking on a x58 so i see 101 as more vcore but it dosnt seem the case for the z68
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Originally Posted by RedBaron V2 View Post

so i have been messing with my vtt and pll voltage and iv noticed if i leave em where they are now prime will run fine for a good 20mins if i drop one down lets say the pll like i did last time it gives me error 101 after around 10mins
im just fine tuning some volts is all im doing
99x 49 = 4.85 ghz
1.480 vcore
1.373 vtt
1.791 cpu pll <----moving this to 1.750 caused bsod 101
im used to overclocking on a x58 so i see 101 as more vcore but it dosnt seem the case for the z68

That vtt seems wayyyy too high. You are putting out a lot more heat with it that high. Also, if you have it too high you will be unstable. 1.05-1.15v seems to be the range for awesome. I'd recommend backing it down.... a lottt.

Something munaim posted in another thread to help someone find their sweet spot: I believe the guy he was helping started at 1.0v
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you can go as high 1.2v but I've not seen it that high for everday usage.

Increase it again in small increments. Lets leave vcore alone for the time being. By the way what is the PLL votlage set to?

EDIT:

I think around 1.13/1.16 would alter it., however increase it slowly.
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Something munaim posted in another thread to help someone find their sweet spot: I believe the guy he was helping started at 1.0v

Here's the thread:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1125843/2500k-overclocking-help/40

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That vtt seems wayyyy too high. You are putting out a lot more heat with it that high. Also, if you have it too high you will be unstable. 1.05-1.15v seems to be the range for awesome. I'd recommend backing it down.... a lottt.
Something munaim posted in another thread to help someone find their sweet spot: I believe the guy he was helping started at 1.0v

hehehe reduced vtt to 1.252 and its working light oversight on that one no idea why i cranked it so high but i was doing this at like 4am last 2 night
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Does this help at all guys?
Vcore behavior with different LLC settings (2600K, graphs inside)
BTW, no reason at all to watch CPU-Z to determine peak min and max Vcore values, for starters it's way too slow imho...
All you have to do is use an app that actually logs per second or even faster (i.e. AIDA and HWInfo are two apps that can do this, there are a many more) and analyze the raw data after the measurement session...just don't forget to set it to log values per second or faster.
The longer the session (time-wise) the more valid the conclusions will be, personally when i was exploring my cpu's OC capabilities i logged everything and in fact i have kept all the logs just in case i want to extract the raw data and re-analyze them at some point...
Good thing is that anybody can experiment, log and see what's what and how "everything" works in the real world... wink.gif

@ fommof and ryuji

Went through the data and it's very intriguing. But I have a few questions. Obviously vcore fluctuates continuously, based on what ryuji said, we should take the minimum vcore and make sure that it is enough for stability.

Looking at the graph "Full Load only Vcore/LLC graphs", @ HIGH and ULTRA HIGH LLC, minimum vcore actually dipped to 1.038, but it rarely happens. To compensate for this dip we need to set vcore to a level which it stays at 1.048~1.058 most of the time, generating more heat for insurance purpose. It is only at EXTREME which the vcore appears to move mostly at the lower end of the range, wouldn't that make it the most stabe LLC level to use when overclocking?
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@ fommof and ryuji
Went through the data and it's very intriguing. But I have a few questions. Obviously vcore fluctuates continuously, based on what ryuji said, we should take the minimum vcore and make sure that it is enough for stability.
Looking at the graph "Full Load only Vcore/LLC graphs", @ HIGH and ULTRA HIGH LLC, minimum vcore actually dipped to 1.038, but it rarely happens. To compensate for this dip we need to set vcore to a level which it stays at 1.048~1.058 most of the time, generating more heat for insurance purpose. It is only at EXTREME which the vcore appears to move mostly at the lower end of the range, wouldn't that make it the most stabe LLC level to use when overclocking?

Longer samples need to be made to judge based on those rare dips, there is a chance of sampling error. looking at the chart from my pov, high llc is seeminly the most stable as it doesnt have that low initial spot as bad, and doesn't dip down two full bars unlike the others the initial dip is just as low as that random dip, and it doesnt reach another grid line


Enable to compare the viability of each LLC the offset needs to be adapted to attempt to get them to match up to the same voltage, as thats what you would be really doing. the results may or may not be completely different in this case. They also may or may not be ENTIRELY different on YOUR cpu and motherboard Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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To re-iterate, you need to do your own sampling of what your llc setting does, depending on exact component values, resistor tolerance etc the most stable point on your motherboard may in fact be a different LLC value then you expect. extreme LLC likely corresponds to a strong vdroop mod, if my feelings on what the graph is recording is correct, the spot you see in the beginning when its lower at load compared to the rest of the samples is when prime95 is filling the ram, that will be 'idle but load speed' then once the load hits, the overzealous LLC goes waaaay overboard and overshoots the target by quite a lot

EDIT:
i think im right observing 'normal' the voltage is high and drops low once the memory is done being filled

That doesn't mean you cant use extreme LLC if you accommodate for it. its part of why i REALLY want to use my oscilloscope(need to wait for my friend to mail it to me), software read methods are not known for being fast or 100% accurate readings. However extreme LLC may have an higher initial overshoot spike that software monitoring may not pick up, it also taxes your VRM more then lower levels as your making it work harder to keep up with load and in that case, going overboard and going past the target voltage
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Well here is a my new 18 hour test of the full set of Prime95 FFTs. This one uses offset instead of manual for voltage which ended up a little higher. I'll post BIOS screenshots later if possible. I believe this also qualifies for super stable possibly? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Still not happy with the temperatures but I'm glad I know what my processor is capable of.

I've got the BIOS template for this run below. Not sure if it was seen or qualifies as super stable.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Also still haven't figured out why speedstepping isn't working with the above setting. No reason not to use it now that I'm stable.
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hehehe reduced vtt to 1.252 and its working light oversight on that one no idea why i cranked it so high but i was doing this at like 4am last 2 night
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I've got the BIOS template for this run below. Not sure if it was seen or qualifies as super stable. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Also still haven't figured out why speedstepping isn't working with the above setting. No reason not to use it now that I'm stable.

For me, with my mobo I have to actually set C1E to enable, and set C6 and C3 to disable for SS to work. Auto just won't set them correctly. Try it out.
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For me, with my mobo I have to actually set C1E to enable, and set C6 and C3 to disable for SS to work. Auto just won't set them correctly. Try it out.

C1E is likely the key, give C3 and C6 a shot to see? C1E is speedsteps grandfather. C3/C6 are completely unrelated power states, they actually i belive enable independent cores to power down instead of working on the processor as a unit. Dont quote me on that tho, ill research it if you desire.
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