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Dang what's your ambient? Not a crazy Oc but excellent temps from the 212.

Haha chilly Melbourne day with the door open, ambient T is ~ 16 c

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@BabyModR
Tell me, what LLC setting are you using with your OC? Do you notice any difference, or lack there of with the other LLC settings in relation to each other? Reason why I ask is because me and others have reported that LLC will not work properly, though some cases have reported that the use of AXTU has helped the LLC settings work "better".
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Umm, havent tried to OC thru AXTU, I've been using bios, it's just that AXTU is nifty to show core settings quickly.

I actually have the notes you want handy, here they are:

LLC is set to Level 2, bios vcore is 1.336, although screen caps show my cpu-z vcore @ 1.312, I actually saw it fluctuate from 1.304 through to 1.328, with the average of 1.312

Some results from messing with an LLC=1 using a x45 multi and offset mode:
+0.010 offset: bios vcore: 1.392 cpuz vcore: 1.400
-0.020 offset: bios vcore: 1.360 cpuz vcore: 1.368
-0.045 offset: bios vcore: 1.328 cpuz vcore: 1.344

At lower offsets/volts LLC seemed to cause the bios vcore to overshoot the cpuz vcore by a larger amount
At higher offsets/volts that difference shrunk

Either way, overshoot is bad so I reduced the offset to LLC=2, results were:
+0.010 offset: bios vcore: 1.304, cpuz vcore 1.288
+0.030 offset: bios vcore: 1.320, cpuz vcore 1.304 BSOD at 5 hours Prime 95 Custom
+0.035 offset: bios vcore: 1.320/1.328 cpuz vcore: 1.304/1.312 BSOD at 6 hours 30 mins Prime 95 Custom
+0.040 offset: bios vcore: 1.328/1.336 cpuz vcore 1.312 Stable Prime 95 Custom 24+ hours

LLC= 3
+0.040 offset: bios vcore: 1.336, cpuz vcore: 1.304

If you use +0.040 to compare, LLC is working on my board. Another thing I noticed is that LLC definately mitigates the lowest point of the droop, at LLC=3, I was occasionally seeing vcores of ~1.280, at LLC = 2 the lowest droop I saw was a vcore of 1.304 for the same offset/multi.

Also, at LLC=3, 4 or 5, I could not stabilise x 45 or x 46 for anything, despite tweaking C states, VTT, and reducing CPU PLL, and raising some high offsets - it was driving me nuts. The best I could get was 19+ hours at x 44, even though I can boot windows and start up Prime95 at up to x49 (before the temps with air scare me).

So now I'm going to see if LLC = 2 is the golden ticket for my cpu and mobo into the higher clock realms

Hope that helps mate smile.gif
Edited by BabyModR - 4/25/12 at 10:59pm
    
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some 12 hours later.

375


pass?

Not sure if 4200 counts..
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post #8563 of 10697
@BabyModR

I agree. LLC 2 is pretty much the golden ticket. Everything you describe is the same on this end, except a few minor things. It was indeed driving me nuts as far as stability goes and I am happy that someone with the same board is reporting close to exact statistics.

Yes, that is why I wanted you to test LLC 1, it causes the offset/voltage values to jump dramatically. I can simply see in my BIOS right next to my offset value of what the voltage is. The voltage difference between LLC 1 and LLC 2 is night and day, when they shouldn't be because there shouldn't be that much of a difference. There is more difference between LLC 1 and LLC 2 than LLC 2 and LLC 5.

It was what I expected. LLC 1, if you are not aware of it's voltage spike flaw, could be very dangerous. +0.060 on LLC 1 was 1.43v and I wanted to see if it was the same for you. Not a dangerous voltage, but I wouldn't want it on there if it's not necessary. LLC 2 on +0.060 is only 1.33 - 34v.

Thank you so much for reporting this information to me. You have been a great help. Thank you for your time indeed.

Unfortunately for me, I think I have to have an offset of +0.065 with LLC 2 for me to be stable. Your settings and at that clock and voltage is very good. Wish I had the same luck. smile.gif

But I am using a 46x multi, so we will see what happens. I was able to get 46x multi stable with fixed voltage of 1.33v. But it's like offset is a completely different beast when it comes to getting stable.
Edited by SunTzu83 - 4/25/12 at 11:15pm
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@samwiches

I think it's 4Ghz and up. I could be wrong though.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the most important thing the voltage reported on cpuz? If you carefully monitor it, it really doesn't matter if llc increases your offset, you just have to reduce the base offset you key in within bios, right?
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SunTzu83,

Have you been running into 009C BSODS by any chance? They were haunting me at >45 multis, I'd run between 90 and 120 mins of Prime95 before failing. But a vcore offset change of 20 - 30 didnt increase the BSOD time, nor did every increment of VTT between 1.047 and 1.12

...I HATE 09C. Do you have the same problem on you board at all?

... I was starting to think that was my chip/boards limit until I've been playing with LLC...
    
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BabyModR,

No, I am very thankful I have not ran into those codes. The codes I have been receiving is 0x124. There was another code, but I only ran into it once and forgot what it was and haven't ran into it since, so I might of corrected that issue. I am sorry though about your troubles. This board has been giving me grief as well for getting stable and is extremely time consuming.

I have spent the most part of almost a week trying to sort it out. I think I am close, but unfortunately I have to use higher voltages than what I am pleased with, plus my H60 is making temps in Prime95 go to as high as 70C with a room temp of 24C, so I was disappointed about that as well. Though I prefer 22C, but we can't always get what we want. smile.gif

I wish you luck though. Thanks again for your time. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask.
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@Sashimi

Perhaps. I always thought you should adjust LLC so that CPU-Z reports similar if not exact voltages that BIOS reports. I thought it was always the best thing to go by BIOS cause window based applications can be flawed in their report. Plus it's just weird from going from one extreme to the next just by a simple LLC being bumped by one, from +0.060 to somewhere around -0.030 to get the same voltage in the LLC1/2 comparison. I could be wrong and I am open to all advice and information.

CPU-Z for me does report pretty much what it says in the BIOS as far as voltages go during load. That's why I wanted BabyModR to get CPUID HWMonitor, or HWiNFO64. So he can tell me what kind of voltage spikes he is getting and what is the max voltage reported during Prime95 test.

For me, I can have the offset to where I am getting 1.32v, but a simple window boot and load can shoot my voltages up to 1.39v as reported by CPUID HWMonitor, regardless of all the LLC settings I have tested. The lowest I have been able to get the over shoot is 1.38v, but that's about it.

That is why I upgraded to the latest beta BIOS that came out only a couple days ago and I still have the same issue. I have talked about it on another thread and another forum. So I hope ASRock either sees it, or I will have to try to find a way to speak to them directly.
Edited by SunTzu83 - 4/25/12 at 11:47pm
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"CPU-Z for me does report pretty much what it says in the BIOS as far as voltages go during load. That's why I wanted BabyModR to get CPUID HWMonitor, or HWiNFO64. So he can tell me what kind of voltage spikes he is getting and what is the max voltage reported during Prime95 test."

Oh, just to clarify, the cpuz vcores that I reported are under full load with 90% ram,and the fluctuations in volts that i've noticed at LLC=2 is +/- 0.008. ie/ cpuz vcore is usually 1.312 under 100% load @ offset +0.040 (where bios vcore is1.336) at x 45 multi; and whilst under load the cpuz vcore can be seen to decrease to 1.304 or increase to 1.320 at times during testing.

At LLC=3 that fluctuation goes up to +/-0.016 and worse with LLC 4 or 5

"For me, I can have the offset to where I am getting 1.32v, but a simple window boot and load can shoot my voltages up to 1.39v as reported by CPUID HWMonitor, regardless of all the LLC settings I have tested. The lowest I have been able to get the over shoot is 1.38v, but that's about it."

Interesting, my bios vcore is always higher than my cpuz vcore except when i use LLC=1 where my cpuz vcore 'overshoots' my bios vcore, and has some pretty nasty voltage spikes.
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Not sure if 4200 counts..

for a first timer i am proud of that 4.2 tongue.gif
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