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The biggest advantage by OCing or just operating the CPU using the offset (EIST on, C1E enabled) is that the CPU will get the needed Vcore depending on the application you run and NO MORE THAN THAT.
We are talking about dynamic Vcore management here. Not all apps have the same demands to run (stable or not). Vcore gets adjusted depending on the load itself.
For instance (and that's REAL data), 2600K, Extreme LLC, x48 multi, -0.055V offset (101% stable, that was my first submission long time ago).
In order to be stable at 20 runs Linx at some point it needs 1.424V Vcore. That's the maximum PEAK needed Vcore to be stable (and it got it), NOT the average.
In order to be stable at 12 hours Prime at some point it needs 1.4V Vcore. Again, that's the maximum PEAK needed Vcore to be stable (and it got it), NOT the average.
In real world apps (any game you want, browsing, video encoding/decoding etc) the maximum Vcore it will ever get it's ONLY 1.352V and again that's the maximum PEAK needed Vcore to be stable (and again it got it without changing anything else), NOT the average.
So there you go, we have an 2600K at extreme LLC, running x48 all day long with -0.055V offset and is stable with ANY app you throw at it.
Do the same with fixed Vcore and you WILL have to set Vcore to get 1.424V as a absolute MINIMUM value otherwise for instance it won't be stable at Linx and so forth...do this using fixed Vcore and you will always run at 1.424V or HIGHER (=fixed Vcore is always higher at idle than at load) at any app you run no matter what it is (or you won't be stable at the most demanding ones).
So the basic logic of the offset Vcore is, set it once, run the most demanding apps you can run, do your stability tests and then just forget it. Your cpu will operate at optimal Vcore according to the circumstances. Most people don't seem to understand that the main advantage of the offset method is when running FULL LOAD, not idle (which doesn't "harm" your cpu anyway unless you have insane high Vcrore anyway.)
My 2 cents and always in my humble opinion/experience.

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The biggest advantage by OCing or just operating the CPU using the offset (EIST on, C1E enabled) is that the CPU will get the needed Vcore depending on the application you run and NO MORE THAN THAT.

Don't need eist or c1e, but good post.
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So the basic logic of the offset Vcore is, set it once, run the most demanding apps you can run, do your stability tests and then just forget it. Your cpu will operate at optimal Vcore according to the circumstances.

Also, if c3/c6 is enabled, very good chance you'll crash with 1 thread load. Gotta test that with 1 thread of prime. Most people leave these on auto which disables them with an overclock, so it's usually not a problem (but then you're losing the light-load benefits.)

Again though, great job explaining offset benefits.
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The biggest advantage by OCing or just operating the CPU using the offset (EIST on, C1E enabled) is that the CPU will get the needed Vcore depending on the application you run and NO MORE THAN THAT.

We are talking about dynamic Vcore management here. Not all apps have the same demands to run (stable or not). Vcore gets adjusted depending on the load itself.

For instance (and that's REAL data), 2600K, Extreme LLC, x48 multi, -0.055V offset (101% stable, that was my first submission long time ago).

In order to be stable at 20 runs Linx at some point it needs 1.424V Vcore. That's the maximum PEAK needed Vcore to be stable (and it got it), NOT the average.

In order to be stable at 12 hours Prime at some point it needs 1.4V Vcore. Again, that's the maximum PEAK needed Vcore to be stable (and it got it), NOT the average.

In real world apps (any game you want, browsing, video encoding/decoding etc) the maximum Vcore it will ever get it's ONLY 1.352V and again that's the maximum PEAK needed Vcore to be stable (and again it got it without changing anything else), NOT the average.

So there you go, we have an 2600K at extreme LLC, running x48 all day long with -0.055V offset and is stable with ANY app you throw at it.

Do the same with fixed Vcore and you WILL have to set Vcore to get 1.424V as an absolute MINIMUM value otherwise for instance it won't be stable at Linx and so forth...do this using fixed Vcore and you will always run at 1.424V or HIGHER (=fixed Vcore is almost always - depending on the LLC setting - higher at idle than at load) at any app you run no matter what it is (or you won't be stable at the most demanding ones).

So the basic logic of the offset Vcore is, set it once, run the most demanding apps you can run, do your stability tests and then just forget it. Your cpu will operate at optimal Vcore according to the circumstances. Most people don't seem to understand that the main advantage of the offset method is when running FULL LOAD, not idle (which doesn't "harm" your cpu anyway unless you have insane high Vcore anyway.)

My 2 cents and always in my humble opinion/experience.


Kudos and +1 your rep. I too take advantage of the power saving feature built in to the SB. My proc will bench at 5.0 and stabilize at 4.8 but I run 4.6 with max pwr saving mode enabled to be max memory 14 hrs Prime stable. I posted up my max pwr saving template here and got little response probably because peeps are shooting for a higher overall clock but the performance hit for 4.6 to 4.8 is negligible and saving power hence wear an tear is king. There is nothing I can't do and do well at 4.6 max pwr save rules in my book.

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Looks like a nice chip, i hope i will be able to do 5Ghz with less than 1.40v.

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that's eactly what im talking about!!! same happened to me, mine started to post around the 1.47 mark and kept on bsoding until I got to 1.55v. Reducing the temps just by taking PLL votlage down and having the same stability = win.

Good Day sir.. does lowering PLL Voltage to 1.55 or 1.6 helps lowering the temps on your processor?
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that's eactly what im talking about!!! same happened to me, mine started to post around the 1.47 mark and kept on bsoding until I got to 1.55v. Reducing the temps just by taking PLL votlage down and having the same stability = win.

Good Day sir.. does lowering PLL Voltage to 1.55 or 1.6 helps lowering the temps on your processor?

As far as I remember it did so for mine.




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BIOS TEMPLATES

I have created a sheet for BIOS templates, it could be a reference point to other's including oneself and a quick 'copy and paste' whenever required in other threads/posts etc.

Those that have posted their stable systems please spare a few minutes of your time to do this. One more thing, these are the ones I’m after:
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  • Full AI tweaker Page including DRAM Timing control

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Spread sheet contains voltage info, temperature info, cooling info, BIOS templates and separate sheets have been created for all of those, including one which filters the i5 and i7. This should be helpful to SB users and those looking to get SB, it also helps provide real world data regarding how the coolers are performing, what temps people are getting with the overclocks and at what kind of voltages, I think that it’s a great addition to OCN and one that SB and non SB users can benefit from.


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Example of the 1344 FFT:
attachment.php?attachmentid=224790&stc=1&d=1313613589
Set memory to use 90% of whatever amount you have.
It's not a 100% for certain way to check stability, but it is a fast way to see if you are far from stable.
I can pass both FFTs but fail Prime95 1 hour into a regular blend just being 1 notch lower on my vcore.

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selct custom blend
Number of torure threads to run = 4
Min FTT size = 1344
Max FFT size 1344
Memory to use = 7000
TIme to run each FFT = 1 minute

Do the same for the 1792 and just change both FFT sizes and run each test for 15/20mins each. If you can pass both for that time it 'should' pass a 12hour custom blend test with all your available memory.


I do have 4 sticks of 4GB memory installed on my rig.. that is 16Gb total.. how do I run custom blend test? Sorry im not that familiar with Prime 95
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16gb x .90 (being 90%) = 14400 MB

hurray for helping!!

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Apologies for the late update, been very busy with my new job and finally finished University last week wheee.gifwheee.gif I will try my very best to update at least once a week. thumb.gif
Also those wondering why they haven't been accepted is probably because they didn't follow all the rules, please make sure you thoroughly read them first before submitting screenshots. thumb.gif
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Congrats on the new job/finishing University!

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