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From what I found is the Z77 broads need a higher PLL then with the Z68. On my Z68 my PLL was 1.6.
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vccio voltage 1.10-1.15v
if its 1.65v ram, start with 1.15v pll

im dumb. i meant start with 1.15v vccio
derpa frickin derp
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im dumb. i meant start with 1.15v vccio
derpa frickin derp

Lol, no problem, got yeah. So VCCIO tweaking is always working UP and never DOWN from the recommended initial voltage of 1.15V (if DRAM voltage is 1.65V)? How about if I keep the DRAM voltage at the default 1.5V, what is the recommended initial VCCIO voltage?

Also, I'm on my quest for looking for a PLL voltage sweet spot right now. So what I did is to change my multi to 45, keep VCCIO to Auto, and then tweak manual vcore voltage and PLL voltage.

As pointed by shad0wfax here, I'm using the 2688 FFT for my quick stability test. I started from around 1.5V PLL and 1.25V manual Vcore voltage.

When I get 0x101 BSOD, I increase vcore.
When I get 0x124 BSOD, I increase PLL.

Is this the correct way to do it until I find the pLL that would keep the system stable and can I consider that my sweet spot then?
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whoever it was that started out tweaking his pll had a lot of time on his hands.
he said once you find your minimum pll voltage it should stay stable through all core speed changes. someone else was testing there voltage and found they needed varying volts for different clocks. im guessing it depends on your chip. i say do as they both said/did and start with 1.5v pll on a STABLE system. raise it from there until you get back to stable again. 2cents.gif i run auto over 4.7ghz

101 is pointed to as pll or vcore. ( in my cases its always been vcore unless i just didnt hit my pll 'sweet spot')
124 is usually vcore.
if youre messing with both voltages simultaneously , how do you know which is causing your instability ?

if i had your ram, i would run 1.1v. if i started gettings workers stopping in prime without a bsod, i would try 1.15v
you got some pretty fast ram. it MIGHT need the extra memory controller voltage.

just my thoughts. btw, i may be wrong.
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whoever it was that started out tweaking his pll had a lot of time on his hands.
he said once you find your minimum pll voltage it should stay stable through all core speed changes. someone else was testing there voltage and found they needed varying volts for different clocks. im guessing it depends on your chip. i say do as they both said/did and start with 1.5v pll on a STABLE system. raise it from there until you get back to stable again. 2cents.gif i run auto over 4.7ghz
101 is pointed to as pll or vcore. ( in my cases its always been vcore unless i just didnt hit my pll 'sweet spot')
124 is usually vcore.
if youre messing with both voltages simultaneously , how do you know which is causing your instability ?
if i had your ram, i would run 1.1v. if i started gettings workers stopping in prime without a bsod, i would try 1.15v
you got some pretty fast ram. it MIGHT need the extra memory controller voltage.
just my thoughts. btw, i may be wrong.

Hmmm, why is it that many people consider the other way around? 101 for vcore and 124 for pll or vcore?

So I'm doing it wrong then. I should first get my ideal vcore and then stop with tweaking with the vcore and then tweak with pll?

Well, I was reading a lot of munaim1's post and I too am wondering how does he know that it is the PLL sweet spot if he is twinkering with multiple voltages simultaneously?

My RAM though is 4x2GB which makes the system NOT run at their default timings (as expected). I would want to overclock my RAM too but that should go AFTER CPU OC'ing, right? So can I keep the VCCIO auto for now?
post #9256 of 10701
New 4.8 results (lower temps!)



Adding a second screenshot as the first one didn't show memory usage


Edited by joesaiditstrue - 7/30/12 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by pc-illiterate View Post

whoever it was that started out tweaking his pll had a lot of time on his hands.
he said once you find your minimum pll voltage it should stay stable through all core speed changes. someone else was testing there voltage and found they needed varying volts for different clocks. im guessing it depends on your chip. i say do as they both said/did and start with 1.5v pll on a STABLE system. raise it from there until you get back to stable again. 2cents.gif i run auto over 4.7ghz
101 is pointed to as pll or vcore. ( in my cases its always been vcore unless i just didnt hit my pll 'sweet spot')
124 is usually vcore.
if youre messing with both voltages simultaneously , how do you know which is causing your instability ?
if i had your ram, i would run 1.1v. if i started gettings workers stopping in prime without a bsod, i would try 1.15v
you got some pretty fast ram. it MIGHT need the extra memory controller voltage.
just my thoughts. btw, i may be wrong.

Hmmm, why is it that many people consider the other way around? 101 for vcore and 124 for pll or vcore?

So I'm doing it wrong then. I should first get my ideal vcore and then stop with tweaking with the vcore and then tweak with pll?

Well, I was reading a lot of munaim1's post and I too am wondering how does he know that it is the PLL sweet spot if he is twinkering with multiple voltages simultaneously?

My RAM though is 4x2GB which makes the system NOT run at their default timings (as expected). I would want to overclock my RAM too but that should go AFTER CPU OC'ing, right? So can I keep the VCCIO auto for now?

 

 

People have a tendency to grab other peeps templates, attempt to use it and when they fail they have no idea why. What they miss is the process of getting to those settings because they are either to lazy or don't have time to do it on there own. Check out your beginners guides to Overclocking. When you do, you will discover they are quit simple, you make only a couple changes to your bios and are instructed on how to work your way up gradually. You will not find the finer details such as CPU Pll adjustment in these guides yet you will come to stabilize your system it may not be 5.0 but you will get somewhere. Now that your system is stabilized, meaning 12 hours Prime95, it's time to move on to the finer details. Let's say your temps were to high when you ran Prime and now you want to lower your temps and you heard somewhere lowering CPU PLL not only lowered temps but also make it possible to run the same system at the same clock speed with a slightly lower vcore too. That would sound wonderful right? Ya Man!  So what do you do to get there? 1st you must start with a stable system. There are no short cuts here. Peeps with no patients need not apply. Now with a stable system begin lowering CPU PLL. Start at 1.5v cpupll  run 3dm11 (my preference) or PCM11 or Super Pi the point is benchmark your system at least 3 times record the results go back to bios bump cpupll up a notch +.05v run 3dm11 again 3 time record the results. Repeat the process until you reach 1.80v cpupll. Consider your highest average bench results your cpupll sweet spot. Switch to the sweet spot now and run Prime 1344 & 1792 30 min each. If you pass that  now it's time to try lowering vcore one notch then run Prime max mem 1344 & 1792 iterations 30 min each again, keep lowering vcore & stress testing until you begin to fail go back into the bios and bump vcore back up two notches and run Prime95 w/max mem for 12 hrs. If you pass you have now fine tuned your system to the lowest possible voltages and consequently temps as well. Notice a pattern here? Always try one thing at a time then Test each and every adjustment and back that up with a 12hrs stability run.

 

About the memory it's always best to overclock with only two dimm slots populated but I certainly understand with 2Gb sticks why you would want all 4 making sticks running so the later is not an option. I think you may have gotten form the above it's best to focus on one thing at a time and sometimes that means taking things out of the picture that could be an obstacle. Like running your memory at slower than rated speed. Doing so takes them out if the picture as the potential cause of a failure while stressing your system. Once you have stabilized your system at a given clock you can turn your attention to the memory bump it up to rated spec and run Memtest if you can pass 12 hrs of that you know your memory is stable but you will also have to stress test your entire system again with Prime with the new memory settings. Like I said if you in a hurry move on this stuff ain't for you buy a Dell leave it stock and get a new one when that one breaks. lol


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People have a tendency to grab other peeps templates, attempt to use it and when they fail they have no idea why. What they miss is the process of getting to those settings because they are either to lazy or don't have time to do it on there own. Check out your beginners guides to Overclocking. When you do, you will discover they are quit simple, you make only a couple changes to your bios and are instructed on how to work your way up gradually. You will not find the finer details such as CPU Pll adjustment in these guides yet you will come to stabilize your system it may not be 5.0 but you will get somewhere. Now that your system is stabilized, meaning 12 hours Prime95, it's time to move on to the finer details. Let's say your temps were to high when you ran Prime and now you want to lower your temps and you heard somewhere lowering CPU PLL not only lowered temps but also make it possible to run the same system at the same clock speed with a slightly lower vcore too. That would sound wonderful right? Ya Man!  So what do you do to get there? 1st you must start with a stable system. There are no short cuts here. Peeps with no patients need not apply. Now with a stable system begin lowering CPU PLL. Start at 1.5v cpupll  run 3dm11 (my preference) or PCM11 or Super Pi the point is benchmark your system at least 3 times record the results go back to bios bump cpupll up a notch +.05v run 3dm11 again 3 time record the results. Repeat the process until you reach 1.80v cpupll. Consider your highest average bench results your cpupll sweet spot. Switch to the sweet spot now and run Prime 1344 & 1792 30 min each. If you pass that  now it's time to try lowering vcore one notch then run Prime max mem 1344 & 1792 iterations 30 min each again, keep lowering vcore & stress testing until you begin to fail go back into the bios and bump vcore back up two notches and run Prime95 w/max mem for 12 hrs. If you pass you have now fine tuned your system to the lowest possible voltages and consequently temps as well. Notice a pattern here? Always try one thing at a time then Test each and every adjustment and back that up with a 12hrs stability run.

About the memory it's always best to overclock with only two dimm slots populated but I certainly understand with 2Gb sticks why you would want all 4 making sticks running so the later is not an option. I think you may have gotten form the above it's best to focus on one thing at a time and sometimes that means taking things out of the picture that could be an obstacle. Like running your memory at slower than rated speed. Doing so takes them out if the picture as the potential cause of a failure while stressing your system. Once you have stabilized your system at a given clock you can turn your attention to the memory bump it up to rated spec and run Memtest if you can pass 12 hrs of that you know your memory is stable but you will also have to stress test your entire system again with Prime with the new memory settings. Like I said if you in a hurry move on this stuff ain't for you buy a Dell leave it stock and get a new one when that one breaks. lol

THANK YOU! I needed this "guide", really, lol. Don't worry, I have a lot of patience with this thing smile.gif

One thing though, have you read before about shad0wfax's concern on the 2688 FFT being another potential basis for quick stress testing your system? And he said, I think, 16~18 hours would test ALL FFTs with the default 15min. cycle in Prime.

Also, what do you mean "the latter is not an option" for my case where I have 4 DIMMs? I know that it's even easier to overclock RAM with only two sticks rather than 4 sticks but when I was building my system, I remember someone (forgot his username) here at OCN recommended me to get 2 sets of 2x2GB as they will provide me a faster overclocked RAM results in the end (as long as I know what I'm doing, he says).

EDIT: Now I remember. It was "pioneerisloud" that recommended me 4x2GB. Here's an old thread about it: http://www.overclock.net/t/1144326/upgrading-ram-to-8gb smile.gif
Edited by kevindd992002 - 7/30/12 at 8:34pm
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It's no mystery 1344 x 2 =2688 yes it's an equally fine test mo need for all three though in the scenario I offered you.

I have reported here in these pages many times when it was in beta that 27.7 w/ AVX instruction set should be used and takes longer than 12 hours to complete a full round of test. As a matter of fact I published a list of all the test that it runs and gave a brief tutorial on how to verify yourself quickly what test are available. However for the purposes of this thread, to consider your self stable, 12 hours is all that is required, more is only need if you want to be prudent. 

The quote "so the latter is not an option" latter meaning running only two sticks not a good option. being that they are only 2gb sticks the isn't taxing the IMC to much but still all four dimm slots are populated which is a bit more stressful on it. You could always bump VCCIO and mem voltage a bit to be sure it's not an issue. W7 will run fine on 4gb but better w/8gb Used to be 4gb was the sweet spot but now a days 8gb is the new sweet spot preferably 2x4gb.


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It's no mystery 1344 x 2 =2688 yes it's an equally fine test mo need for all three though in the scenario I offered you.
I have reported here in these pages many times when it was in beta that 27.7 w/ AVX instruction set should be used and takes longer than 12 hours to complete a full round of test. As a matter of fact I published a list of all the test that it runs and gave a brief tutorial on how to verify yourself quickly what test are available. However for the purposes of this thread, to consider your self stable, 12 hours is all that is required, more is only need if you want to be prudent. 
The quote "so the latter is not an option" latter meaning running only two sticks not a good option. being that they are only 2gb sticks the isn't taxing the IMC to much but still all four dimm slots are populated which is a bit more stressful on it. You could always bump VCCIO and mem voltage a bit to be sure it's not an issue. W7 will run fine on 4gb but better w/8gb Used to be 4gb was the sweet spot but now a days 8gb is the new sweet spot preferably 2x4gb.

Ok, so I take it that if I were to ask you about replacing my RAM sticks with just 2x4GB you would answer no?
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