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I wouldn't think 1.35 would degrade a chip that fast. Also curious what your temps are. Any recent bios updates?
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What about temperatures - especially ambient! Pay attention to CPU temperature - not only Core temperatures! etc etc
First thing what you should do is general maintenance of rig (cleanup filters, fans, rad/heat stick, chip-set heat stick)


When i play games it doesnt go over 55-60. I also clean my rig every month so there is no dust inside and it is always clean.

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I wouldn't think 1.35 would degrade a chip that fast. Also curious what your temps are. Any recent bios updates?

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BIOS
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Version 3211
3211 changelog: (Click to hide)
- Improve system stability.
- Enhance compatibility with some USB devices.

Version 3208
3208 changelog: (Click to hide)
- Improve system stability.
- Improve memory compatibility.
- Support new CPUs.

Version 2302
2302 changelog: (Click to hide)
- Improve system stability.
- Enhance compatibility with some USB devices.
- Support new CPUs.

I am using bios version 2302. Should i update ?
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I've said before and I'll say again here there is no appreciable difference gaming between 4.6<>4.8 if you need more FPS upgrade your GPU. Just because your proc does 5.0 doesn't mean you should run it there 24/7. You are much better off at 4.6 w/max power saving/offset vcore enabled. No doubt you'll have 95% of the performance, better longevity, less wear and tear, less heat in your man cave, and lower power bills to boot. You can always stabilize with prime95 a high clock and run your benchmarks for all the bragging rights at the higher clocks but for God's sake drop it down to reasonable for 24/7 even with that massive water cool system>>> head for sanity. Plus when your done with the stuff you can, with confidence, sell it in the trading post, otherwise don't scam your neighbors w/ your run down over worked abused garbage.

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Omg calm down, take it easy bro smile.gif

1.375 for 4.8 was pretty nice voltage owcraftsman there are many people here who is using 24/7 1.5 v for 5ghz and none of them complained about their chip so far. I bought exactly the same system for my wife and i was able to reach 4.8ghz with 1.35v on her cpu. We use pc at the same time for gaming and nothing went wrong with her system.

Thats why i was wondering what could possibly go wrong. It is same rig every single parts are the same but my cpu becomes unstable in time and needs more voltage to stay stable. She didnt even get a blue screen so far.

So i started to suspect if it is dying or is it something about my motherboard. Surely something is wrong here but i don't know what it is.
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I've said before and I'll say again here there is no appreciable difference gaming between 4.6<>4.8 if you need more FPS upgrade your GPU. Just because your proc does 5.0 doesn't mean you should run it there 24/7. You are much better off at 4.6 w/max power saving/offset vcore enabled. No doubt you'll have 95% of the performance, better longevity, less wear and tear, less heat in your man cave, and lower power bills to boot. You can always stabilize with prime95 a high clock and run your benchmarks for all the bragging rights at the higher clocks but for God's sake drop it down to reasonable for 24/7 even with that massive water cool system>>> head for sanity. Plus when your done with the stuff you can, with confidence, sell it in the trading post, otherwise don't scam your neighbors w/ your run down over worked abused garbage.

pretty sure this is "overclock.net" not "overclockalittle.net"

if ppl are stable at 5ghz and want to keep it there, good for them. Most ppl are gonna upgrade anyways before ANY type of degradation or "wear and tear" is seen (which would most likely take years)
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Hey guys, I bought a 2500k about a year ago with an ASRock Extreme4 Gen3 and overclocked it to an easy 4.2Ghz using the default settings and tweaked settings a bit so it didn't use as much voltage. It's been perfect for that time, but I've recently changed to a SeaSonic x750, from a PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610w because of the noise, and I decided to manually overclock it myself.

I figured I would test the overclock since different PSUs do different things, but I guess either my overclock wasn't totally stable or Prime95 a year ago was easier to pass without AVX instructions. Anyways, I managed to get it stable for 28 hours using Prime95 blend test with Vcore at 1.28, which loads it between 1.256-1.27 with LLC Level 3, when it BSOD 0x124 while I was sleeping. Currently, I have it running again with VTT up a notch (1.064), since people recommended trying that, but I was wondering if I should up it another 0.005 of Vcore to get it stable (seems like a lot of voltage for 4.2Ghz). From what I've read almost all chips require nothing but Vcore up to around 4.4-4.5Ghz.

Temperature of the cores are pretty low at this setting being anywhere from 47-62 depending on tft size. With 4.4Ghz it maxed around 70c (mostly just curious how much Vcore I needed to run for 4.4).

Basically, I'm just curious what the recommended path should be for this. I have yet to get a BSOD while doing anything other than prime95, so I think it's just the overclock or one rare spike down, but I don't know. I was also wondering about the option spread spectrum; I turned it off and reset my BLCK to from 100.1 to 100 (my OCD at work), but I can't imagine that having any drastic effect. I've turned off the Cstates since my PC never seemed to like those options on. Most of the other options are auto with my Ram being the settings recommended on the package/stickers (upped voltage to 1.3v from 1.25 since G.Skill recommended this). Last question I had will probably come off as a bit noobish, but I wasn't sure if the overclock degrades over time and requires a bit more voltage after a while.

Sorry if this was a bit long. Thanks for any helpful replies in advance. thumb.gif

Edit: Should I be worried about data corruption on my OS ssd from a few BSODs?
Edited by Bobber1 - 9/23/12 at 12:13pm
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I'm not saying don't overclock I've had every 2600 and 2700k proc I've had over 5.0 hell ya! gotta do it! I'm just saying running it there 24/7 is asking for trouble for not that much more performance. Only one of those chips was I able to run at 4.8 below 1.4 << my bad luck >> If I had a chip that ran 5.0 at or below 1.4 I would definitely run it there 24/7. Besides that I see nothing on the horizon worth upgrading to so keeping what I got tip top makes sense to me. I rarely keep anything longer than a year before I sell it used but that may not be the case this time around. I'm not paying the premium for an x79 upgrade so it may be a wait for something better. In the end I'll have used parts to pass on that is not used and abused which boils down to my philosophy. Bottom line it's IMHO take it for what it's worth to you. My intention of the last post was not to be loud, rather, it was to offer some common sense.

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Hey guys, I bought a 2500k about a year ago with an ASRock Extreme4 Gen3 and overclocked it to an easy 4.2Ghz using the default settings and tweaked settings a bit so it didn't use as much voltage. It's been perfect for that time, but I've recently changed to a SeaSonic x750, from a PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610w because of the noise, and I decided to manually overclock it myself.

I figured I would test the overclock since different PSUs do different things, but I guess either my overclock wasn't totally stable or Prime95 a year ago was easier to pass without AVX instructions. Anyways, I managed to get it stable for 28 hours using Prime95 blend test with Vcore at 1.28, which loads it between 1.256-1.27 with LLC Level 3, when it BSOD 0x124 while I was sleeping. Currently, I have it running again with VTT up a notch (1.064), since people recommended trying that, but I was wondering if I should up it another 0.005 of Vcore to get it stable (seems like a lot of voltage for 4.2Ghz). From what I've read almost all chips require nothing but Vcore up to around 4.4-4.5Ghz.

Temperature of the cores are pretty low at this setting being anywhere from 47-62 depending on tft size. With 4.4Ghz it maxed around 70c (mostly just curious how much Vcore I needed to run for 4.4).

Basically, I'm just curious what the recommended path should be for this. I have yet to get a BSOD while doing anything other than prime95, so I think it's just the overclock or one rare spike down, but I don't know. I was also wondering about the option spread spectrum; I turned it off and reset my BLCK to from 100.1 to 100 (my OCD at work), but I can't imagine that having any drastic effect. I've turned off the Cstates since my PC never seemed to like those options on. Most of the other options are auto with my Ram being the settings recommended on the package/stickers (upped voltage to 1.3v from 1.25 since G.Skill recommended this). Last question I had will probably come off as a bit noobish, but I wasn't sure if the overclock degrades over time and requires a bit more voltage after a while.

Sorry if this was a bit long. Thanks for any helpful replies in advance. thumb.gif

Edit: Should I be worried about data corruption on my OS ssd from a few BSODs?


#1 never auto overclock

#2 read the overclocking guides choose your method manual or offset vcore (recommended)

#3 work your way up gradually testing often and keep notes or tweak and tune the many templates that others have used with similar systems (look for a board specific thread you'll get better results from your questions).

#4 have patients sometimes it takes a bit before you tune it in just right remember all procs/system configs are different so to will your settings be also.

#5 yes AVX instructions add overhead that requires more vcore

#6 yes BSOD can cause data corruption nothing a format and reload can't cure.

#7 keep C1E enabled or auto when using offset mode disable C3 and C6.

#8 always manually setup memory timings and vdimm. Don't use XMP or auto for the first 5 settings ie 9-10-9-27-2t or what every is on your memory label. Bumping vdimm and vccio can help when populating all 4 dimm slots but usually not necessary with only two dimms running at the rated speed. If your memory is rated for 1866 run it at 1600 to take it out of the picture as a possible reason for oc failure at least until you have a stable vcore set.

#9 keep your temps below 90c at 100% load and you'll be fine but keep in mind it will throttle the oc and vcore when it reaches 96c which is an Intel spec to protect the proc

#10 try not to exceed 1.5vcore at 100% load w/o keeping #9 in mind.

#11 bumping vcore normally corrects the 0x124 stop but sometimes lowering your CPU PLL has the effect of a lower vcore requirement.  1.8v cpu pll is default/auto many use down to 1.5v I use 1.65v but YMMV

#12 Disabling CPU Spread Spectrum is not normally necessary below 4.8 on Asus boards leave auto but it may be a board specific issue so see #3 again

#13 keep your BLCK at default to minimize it as an issue of a failed oc

GL & happy overclocking.

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I upped vcore another 0.005v (@1.27v) and it held past the 28 hours and lasted about 33-34 hours or so before I figured I'd stop it. I looked at my event viewer to see how many blue screens I have gotten while overclocking (I've had zero since May when I put this SSD in) and I've gotten only two. Is that really enough to corrupt my OS or drives when I'm offline doing absolutely nothing on the PC? Would really prefer not to mess with that if I don't have to. Should I worry about the non OS drives at all either?

Anyways, thanks for your help. Nice to see some things I couldn't find even while researching a lot the last couple of days. +rep for taking the time out of your day to inform and help me. thumb.gif
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