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thats an awfully low pll

thumb.gif Yeah I missed that. Good find. I'm surprised it even boots...blinksmiley.gif
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Hi!
I need help getting my 2600K stable @ 4.7 GHz with 1.424 V. My temps are extremely high. Running Prime95 v27.7 Small FFTs for ten minutes, RealTemp reports minimum 73-84-88-84 and maximum 82-92-96-92. These settings initially passed a 12-hour blend test, but failed a second one with BugCheck 0x124. The third core hit 98 C during the first blend test, which is way too hot compared to everyone else.
Ratio: 47
Internal PLL Overvoltage: Disabled
LLC: High
VRM: 350
CPU: +0.070
VCCIO: 0.90625
PLL: 1.42500
HT: Disabled
I'm mainly using this rig for playing World of Warcraft. Max temps are 57-60-61-63 when staring at heavy particles. The ambient temperature is 24 C.
I've reseated the cooler a year ago to try to lower the temperatures. The thermal compound should have set in by now, as I let the computer sleep every night. I've also noticed that the top of the case is always warm. It's an old Centurion 5 with a side window, but all the fans still work.
I'm not comfortable with increasing the CPU voltage at this point. I'm convinced that the cores are too hot and that it's causing instability. But I don't want to spend another year reseating the cooler. What should I do?
Personally I would not want to see any of my cores go above 90C during Prime95 - I would rather not see over 80C at any point if I could help it. If you are willing to invest time and money improving your case and CPU cooling, you should see some lower temperatures there. If not, I would back down to about 4.4 or 4.5GHz as you will be very unlikely to see any difference in games from 4.7 and it may require significantly lower voltage.

Oh, and a question for my own overclock. I've been trying to get 4.5GHz stable with load voltage at 1.248-1.256V and I got a 124 after 5.5 hours of Prime95 Blend. I've not tweaked the PLL or VCCIO yet, to be honest I'm not even sure what LLC is set to (voltage is set manually to 1.250V in UEFI), but my load and idle voltage is exactly the same, so it might be on auto setting or something.

So what I'm thinking is, if I can pass that many hours of Prime95 before crashing and get a 124 code, isn't it more likely to be PLL or VCCIO than Vcore? What should I change first?


@Tim I would agree with ellis on all points but would try 4.6 1st as vcore is directly attributed to high heat you need to get vcore down a bit. I say 4.6 because it will likely take just a bit less vcore to be stable since you are nearly perfect at 4.7 in terms of passing P95. I'd try the lower multi (x46), +0.065 offset or lower if possible stable and 1.55 pll your temps will lower a bit, but not significantly however enough or within reason to get you by. As you mentioned while gaming your temps are reasonable so I would not worry about 80-90c at 100% load unless you run at 100% load most of the time then I would have to agree with ellis move to 4.4/4.5. BTW I would enable HT and take advantage of your procs abilities even if that means a lower clock overall as a result.

 

@ellis I have a couple Qs Are you using offset or manual Vcore? your current vcore is low enough that your heat should be in check and you should have room for higher vcore. Keep in mind you can get a 124 stop with to high or to low pll but for the moment vcore seems a bit low and a bump there may be all you need. I'd also like to know your other current settings auto or otherwise.

AI OC Tuner:=?

Mem Frq:=

Internal PLL Overvoltage:=?
LLC:=?
VRM:=?
CPU:= offset? or manual?
VCCIO:=?

Dram Voltage:=?
PLL:=?

CPU Spread Spectrum:=?

C1E:=?

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@ Timothy003
90c+ is too high for my liking. Also, you will not see anything above 98c because your chip will throttle down to stay within the max operating temps, so you definitely don't want to hit 98c as it means your performance is affected.
Perhaps you can get a case with better airflow? Many modern cases have a top exhaust fan which should help stop hot air build up at the top of your case and prevent them from being sucked back into the heatsink.
You didn't mention what your CPU cooler is, but changing it to a higher performing one will give you direct gains. Noctua NH D-14 and Thermalright Silvera Arrow are I believe the top 2 coolers, but my info can be outdated. tongue.gif Also do bear in mind CPU air cooling is highly dependent on case airflow so for the best result, don't skimp out on getting a good case.
If you really can't improve on your thermal performance then like Ellis said, you will want to down clock it a little.
@ Ellis
From my knowledge BSOD 124 can either be VCCIO, or VCORE, and in rarer circumstances, PLL. I would first look into VCCIO first, then PLL, and only tweak VCORE as an absolute last resort because it will increase temps much more than the other 2 voltages.
Sounds like you are using manual OC. In manual OC, voltage @ idle and @ load will always be the same so that is normal, additionally, LLC is used as a mean to ensure the board delivers exactly the amount of voltage which you keyed into BIOS into the chip. If you's entered 1.250V into BIOS and CPUZ reports 1.248-1.256V, then I believe the LLC is spot on at the moment so you don't need to change it.
I will however recommend offset OC over manual because your chip at idle or at light load simply doesn't require a large amount of power. As every bit of voltage pour into your chip will reduce its lifespan, you would want to reduce that amount when it doesn't require so much power. Also, it'll save you money on your next electricity bill. There are plenty of offset guides online as well as this very thread.
Thanks!

Yes, I am using manual voltage at the moment. I thought about using offset voltage but decided it might be better to first use manual until I know which voltage setting I want, then try to achieve that with offset. But you're probably right that it's easier just to use offset voltage from the start.

I impatiently decided to go ahead and increase Vcore 0.01V so that it's now running 1.264-1.272V under load. My LLC was previously set to auto and I believe that had selected ultra high for me - now I've manually set LLC to ultra high and voltage to 1.260V. High LLC only gave me around 1.24V or something frown.gif

Anyway, I am now nearing the same Prime95 mark as before, to be honest if this is stable for 12 hours at this voltage I probably won't try lowering Vcore and messing with VCCIO because I'm already running a pretty nice voltage for 4.5GHz. But if it crashes around the same mark again, I'll try switching to offset mode and tweaking VCCIO thumb.gif

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@Tim I would agree with ellis on all points but would try 4.6 1st as vcore is directly attributed to high heat you need to get vcore down a bit. I say 4.6 because it will likely take just a bit less vcore to be stable since you are nearly perfect at 4.7 in terms of passing P95. I'd try the lower multi (x46), +0.065 offset or lower if possible stable and 1.55 pll your temps will lower a bit, but not significantly however enough or within reason to get you by. As you mentioned while gaming your temps are reasonable so I would not worry about 80-90c at 100% load unless you run at 100% load most of the time then I would have to agree with ellis move to 4.4/4.5. BTW I would enable HT and take advantage of your procs abilities even if that means a lower clock overall as a result.

@ellis I have a couple Qs Are you using offset or manual Vcore? your current vcore is low enough that your heat should be in check and you should have room for higher vcore. Keep in mind you can get a 124 stop with to high or to low pll but for the moment vcore seems a bit low and a bump there may be all you need. I'd also like to know your other current settings auto or otherwise.
AI OC Tuner:=?
Mem Frq:=
Internal PLL Overvoltage:=?

LLC:=?

VRM:=?

CPU:= offset? or manual?

VCCIO:=?
Dram Voltage:=?

PLL:=?
CPU Spread Spectrum:=?
C1E:=?
C3:=?
C6:=?
Mem settings?
As said above I'm using manual voltage mode at this time, and yes, this is a pretty low voltage for 4.5GHz which is why I decided to increase Vcore rather than VCCIO.

Other settings:
OC Tuner - never touched
Memory - XMP (1600MHz 9-9-9-24 1.50V)
PLL overvoltage - disabled
LLC - as said above, now ultra high
VRM frequency - 350
VCCIO - auto
PLL - auto
Spread Spectrum - couldn't find the setting! So it should be on default lachen.gif
C1E - enabled
C3 - auto
C6 - auto

I think that's it smile.gif
Edited by Ellis - 11/24/12 at 9:23am
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thumb.gif Let us know the results of your test when finish redface.gif
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thumb.gif Let us know the results of your test when finish redface.gif
Will do. As expected, I've now got a bit further than before. Last FFTs passed before were 48K at, like I said, the 5.5 hour mark. Now about 6h15m in, which is hopeful but I'm sure even without changing anything, I could have got further in Prime95 one day than another - I can't imagine it crashing at exactly the same point twice.

Anyway, we'll see biggrin.gif

Also, I need to reseat my cooler and I might have run out of thermal paste, time to buy some MX-4 or something perhaps tongue.gif
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@ Ellis

OC Tuner - never touched this is where you select manual or XMP so it must be set to XMP given the comment below but maybe you could clarify I would use manual vs XMP
Memory - XMP (1600MHz 9-9-9-24 1.50V)  don't use XMP. Use manual set timings the 1st five settings to 9-9-9-24-CR2 all else auto if that's what your kit is rated for then set manually your "Mem Freq" to 1600 again if that's your modules rating.
PLL overvoltage - disabled good
LLC - as said above, now ultra high good
VRM frequency - 350 good
VCCIO - auto  good usually no bump is required unless using 16GB kit or all 4 dimm slots populated or overclocking memory
PLL - auto default is 1.8v a lower setting has proven to lower the overall vcore requirement under 5.0 overclocks for many users YMMV It is also known to high or to low may cause stop 124 while running Prime. Finding the sweet spot is proc specific but I would say at 4.6 somewhere between 1.45 to 1.65 pll would be optimal. Trial and error is the only way to know for sure.
Spread Spectrum - couldn't find the setting! So it should be on default lachen.gifshould be found on the AI Tweaker page at the very bottom scroll down and disable it if you want your multi and vcore to drop at idle using offset vcore method of OCing. (recommended)
C1E - enabled Good
C3 - auto if you switch to offset disable
C6 - auto if you switch to offset disable

 

GL I hope this helps!


Edited by owcraftsman - 11/24/12 at 10:36am
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weirdsmiley.gifwackosmiley.gif ok so i'm new to these forums and i like to thing of myself as tech savvy this is my first system and i'm not sure wether this is normal or if i'm paranoid and i got lucky. so recently i bought and put together this system and i fully loaded a tempest 410 case with 18Db fans that i found quiet like you wouldn't believe and are 32cfm. bottom facing ax 750 16 gigs 1866 patriot viper 3 h80 in push pull exhaust mounted so my question why the hell are my temps so low for an overclocked 3770k. i did my research and i though ivy bridge was supossed to be really hot but i'm running 4.6ghz off of 1.285V and doing the normal intel burn test 15 runs ai suite 2 reported like a max of 47c package temp so is it just inaccurate or what going on here i tested multiple software and ive seen core and package temps. am i just lucky or is something fishy going on? .

I'm new but i did my research as much as possible so i'm just wondering why this is
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weirdsmiley.gifwackosmiley.gif ok so i'm new to these forums and i like to thing of myself as tech savvy this is my first system and i'm not sure wether this is normal or if i'm paranoid and i got lucky. so recently i bought and put together this system and i fully loaded a tempest 410 case with 18Db fans that i found quiet like you wouldn't believe and are 32cfm. bottom facing ax 750 16 gigs 1866 patriot viper 3 h80 in push pull exhaust mounted so my question why the hell are my temps so low for an overclocked 3770k. i did my research and i though ivy bridge was supossed to be really hot but i'm running 4.6ghz off of 1.285V and doing the normal intel burn test 15 runs ai suite 2 reported like a max of 47c package temp so is it just inaccurate or what going on here i tested multiple software and ive seen core and package temps. am i just lucky or is something fishy going on? .

I'm new but i did my research as much as possible so i'm just wondering why this is


The Asus software is known to not report accurately I would use Real Temp, Core Temp or Aida 64 to monitor temps the latter two are free to use. I prefer Aida 64 and consider it well worth the price of admission for an enthusiast. Try that and report back

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OC Tuner - never touched this is where you select manual or XMP so it must be set to XMP given the comment below but maybe you could clarify I would use manual vs XMP

Memory - XMP (1600MHz 9-9-9-24 1.50V)  don't use XMP. Use manual set timings the 1st five settings to 9-9-9-24-CR2 all else auto if that's what your kit is rated for then set manually your "Mem Freq" to 1600 again if that's your modules rating.

PLL overvoltage - disabled good

LLC - as said above, now ultra high good

VRM frequency - 350 good

VCCIO - auto  good usually no bump is required unless using 16GB kit or all 4 dimm slots populated or overclocking memory

PLL - auto default is 1.8v a lower setting has proven to lower the overall vcore requirement under 5.0 overclocks for many users YMMV It is also known to high or to low may cause stop 124 while running Prime. Finding the sweet spot is proc specific but I would say at 4.6 somewhere between 1.45 to 1.65 pll would be optimal. Trial and error is the only way to know for sure.

Spread Spectrum - couldn't find the setting! So it should be on default lachen.gifshould be found on the AI Tweaker page at the very bottom scroll down and disable it if you want your multi and vcore to drop at idle using offset vcore method of OCing. (recommended)

C1E - enabled Good

C3 - auto if you switch to offset disable

C6 - auto if you switch to offset disable

GL I hope this helps!
Awesome. I was actually getting muddled with something else and the OC Tuner - that's where I have XMP set, in the individual RAM boxes (e.g. DRAM voltage) they are manually set to the relevant values. There's something like a "quick OC finder" which is supposed to automatically find the right overclock, that's the one that I haven't ever touched. Still getting used to the ASUS UEFI!

I didn't realise that you had to disable spread spectrum to get offset voltage working fully, I'll do that once I switch over to offset mode.
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Thanks a lot for the info i new something was up here ill do the same test over and ill report back
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