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and i would love to get an idea of what kind of increases are typical for both vccio and vccsa. i posted in the "My Samsung DDR3 4 x 4 GB Overclocking Experience " thread but got no response. that was over 2 weeks ago.

Have not read your original thread as I've been caught up with work. Shouldn't be slacking off on OCN at all =P

But as a quick response, typically the sweet spot for VCCIO are between 1.0 to 1.2. This is a very big range and the only way to find out the perfect number will be trial and error. An easy way to reduce time spent is to run a full cycle of custom blend test using 90%+ of your memory, but shorten the duration of each length to 1 minute. This way it will filter out all the major problems very quickly.

VCCSA you don't have to touch at all.

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What do you think, would a H100 Corsair perform really better than Noctua NH-D14 for example or this is not the case ? I've seen some results where people used water cooling and they got worse results than some Air cooled CPU's. I was thinking about changing this for some water cooling option but I am not sure if the performance will be better 100% positive if I do the change... redface.gif

D14 will beat H100 on low. H100 will beat D14 on high in terms of temps, however at the cost of big increase in noise level.

However, a fully custom water cooling loop with decent components sporting minimum of 240 or more radiator will beat the D14 with ease at comparable noise level.
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A note on using XMP mode.

I use XMP only to find the mfg fail safe settings of a given kit. I will enable it once to see those specs/timings to record them on paper for the purpose of setting them up manually in bios to eliminate timings and Vdimm settings as a possible reason for a failed overclock. I have found when overclocking to the limits of my hardware, for what ever reason, XMP fails where maunal setting have success. I'm not sure why this is but I know for example my current OC of 4.8 with all other settings the same except XMP engaged it fails with manual settings/timings it runs stable. As I have experienced this same anomaly with other builds I have come to the conclusion it's best not to use the XMP profile when pushing to extremes. Furthermore XMP is utterly useless when populating all 4 dimm slots on Sandy Bridge platforms because it always defaults to a lower than usable stable Vdimm. Not only is higher vccio/sa voltage needed to boost the IMC but typically in my experiences so too is a higher Vdimm requirement again when pushing to the upper limits of a proc. I don't believe this is exclusive to a specific motherboard, proc or memory kit as I have seen this happen with multiple builds. Of course YMMV just like some can hit a stable OC at substantially lower vcore than others with the same gear there are always variables in terms of what is achievable from one user to another but for me XMP works well when not pushing the limits, for that I recommend manual settings.

It is not my goal here to turn this in to a debate. It's one of those things that has to many variables to produce a clear winner, right or wrong. It is my humble opinion, so take from it what you will

I can confirm that XMP usually fails when the 4 RAM slots are populated.

Do you mean that with the 4 slots populated, it is required to increased Vdimm and vccio/sa voltage to achieve higher CPU overlclocks?

 

It's important to understand why XMP fails. Unlike previous chipset (x58) XMP profiles raised VTT/VCCIO and Vdimm with next gen chipset Z68 etc they do not. I suspect this is because the bulk of these kits transitioned to a lower vdimm requirement of 1.5vdimm vs the older 1.65vdimm kits along with Intel's lowering there vdimm spec w/2nd gen SB IMC's. Both platforms typically have only one XMP profile available to select that caters to a two dimm slots populated (mainstream) profile. In an Ideal world we'd like to see multiple profiles that cater to our specific needs but that simply is not the case which is why we need to manually set to our needs.

 

On the 2nd part yes, w/4 dimm slots populated a Vdimm & VCCIO bump is required however I should have left SA out of the conversation which should only be used when changing the blck.

 

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and i would love to get an idea of what kind of increases are typical for both vccio and vccsa. i posted in the "My Samsung DDR3 4 x 4 GB Overclocking Experience " thread but got no response. that was over 2 weeks ago.

sashimi answered this really but I see you are concerned about getting responses so I'll add my 2 cents worth.

 

vccio typically gets bumped to 1.1 but do not exceed 1.2v. vccsa should stay on auto (as mentioned above) w/100 blck but can be bumped +/- depending on your +/- blck. I do not recommend a + bump below 5.2 so for most keep on auto. Keep in mind SA will change dynamically based on system demand or other settings you have chosen so changing it can be the source of much frustration if you are unclear where to go.

 

When I populate all four dimm slots regardless of rated specs (i.e. 1.5 vdimm) I automatically set vccio to 1.1 and vdimm to 1.65v and begin stability testing from there. Don't go above 1.2 vccio or 1.65vdimm and always try less until you become unstable to find the lowest possible stable setting.


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It's important to understand why XMP fails. Unlike previous chipset (x58) XMP profiles raised VTT/VCCIO and Vdimm with next gen chipset Z68 etc they do not. I suspect this is because the bulk of these kits transitioned to a lower vdimm requirement of 1.5vdimm vs the older 1.65vdimm kits along with Intel's lowering there vdimm spec w/2nd gen SB IMC's. Both platforms typically have only one XMP profile available to select that caters to a two dimm slots populated (mainstream) profile. In an Ideal world we'd like to see multiple profiles that cater to our specific needs but that simply is not the case which is why we need to manually set to our needs.

On the 2nd part yes, w/4 dimm slots populated a Vdimm & VCCIO bump is required however I should have left SA out of the conversation which should only be used when changing the blck.

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sashimi answered this really but I see you are concerned about getting responses so I'll add my 2 cents worth.

vccio typically gets bumped to 1.1 but do not exceed 1.2v. vccsa should stay on auto (as mentioned above) w/100 blck but can be bumped +/- depending on your +/- blck. I do not recommend a + bump below 5.2 so for most keep on auto. Keep in mind SA will change dynamically based on system demand or other settings you have chosen so changing it can be the source of much frustration if you are unclear where to go.

When I populate all four dimm slots regardless of rated specs (i.e. 1.5 vdimm) I automatically set vccio to 1.1 and vdimm to 1.65v and begin stability testing from there. Don't go above 1.2 vccio or 1.65vdimm and always try less until you become unstable to find the lowest possible stable setting.

Thanks. But with my setup I can go stable at 1.5 vdimm and auto vccio and vccsa. The only settings I need to change, for my system to boot, are the timings. I need to increase from CAS7 to CAS9. Is this normal?
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Increase your vccio to 1.1v and you can probably get your cas9 down to 8 maybe back back to 7. 4 dimms almost always require a boost to vccio. I was already at 1.1v to drop .010v from my vcore offset.

@craftsman- i had no idea vccsa adjusted on the fly. I never heard that anywhere before. Thanks for the info.
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D14 will beat H100 on low. H100 will beat D14 on high in terms of temps, however at the cost of big increase in noise level.
However, a fully custom water cooling loop with decent components sporting minimum of 240 or more radiator will beat the D14 with ease at comparable noise level.

Well I was considering only H100 package with its own radiator and 2 fans which are in the package, So in that way I am wondering would it help to put my temps maybe to around 75-80c @5Ghz which I can think I can easily manage around 1.35vCore... I wouldn't want some massive investment in lots of radiators and water stuff inside the case.

On the other hand if I would switch U12P for D14 could I get some temperature dicrease over U12P or would it be just a minor difference... ?
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Doox, im at 4.5ghz with 1.32v underload and 1.344v idle. H100 with2 excaliburs pushing and 2 bgears blasters pulling- ambient temps of 70-72*F and i max at 63-65*C in ibt. I do have some massive positive pressure in my case with really good airflow.
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U12 to D14 will be minor gain. If it's 1.35v you're after, U12, D14 and H100 will handle it comfortably. Just don't put them inside a stuffy case. With good airflow, hell you can do 1.42 on air!
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Increase your vccio to 1.1v and you can probably get your cas9 down to 8 maybe back back to 7. 4 dimms almost always require a boost to vccio. I was already at 1.1v to drop .010v from my vcore offset.
@craftsman- i had no idea vccsa adjusted on the fly. I never heard that anywhere before. Thanks for the info.

Interesting. When do I know if I need increase vccio further to 1.2? And how about vdimm, should I keep it at 1.5 or increase it automatically to 1.65?
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i have no idea kevin. im trying to get my ram running faster now and have been trying for the last 3 weeks. no idea. its all trial n error. i'll send ya a pm if i figure anything out.
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Originally Posted by DoooX View Post

I'm currently having this test:

What do ya think ?

Sooooo jelly. I'll be lucky if I can get 4.5 @ 1.3V

Can you share you BIOS settings? biggrin.gif
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