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It's not tax evasion because you aren't evading anything, it is perfectly legal for Californians to drive to Oregon(which has no sales tax), buy a HDTV, pay no sales tax and take it back home.
I'm not 100% on that one because I haven't cared enough to look into it before but it probably has to do with the point of sale. Online acquisitions are assumed to be made at the buyers residence or where it is shipped otherwise everybody would be charged California's tax when buying from Newegg. Basically what that means is that if you live in Oregon you don't have to worry about this change. Otherwise to avoid tax like this you would probably have to ship the item to a state with no sales tax or have somebody from that state buy it for you depending on the specifics.

The other stuff I mentioned about the fact that you still owe taxes for online purchase is correct though. Michigan proposed enforcing this on Michigan residents and I found a whole lot of info on it soon after.
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They're basically doing this to hurt Amazon, but they're not going to hurt Amazon. They're going to hurt all the smaller "etailers", because Amazon (and NewEgg etc.) still generally has lower prices.

And they're not trying to enforce and old law, they're trying to rewrite said old law so it becomes enforceable. There's a difference.

That said, the last large(ish) B&M purchase I made was my i7 950 because it was about 70 bucks cheaper... even with sales tax.

Wait, so if I buy something in a place with higher sales tax and then report it back home, the government needs to pay me?
    
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You do realize that will hurt internet retailers badly, especially smaller businesses that have to compete with larger ones? Not only can they not really afford to offer anything cheaper (as the walmarts of the world buy in such bulk that they can undercut everyone), they then have to pay to ship the item out and tax the item. In the end, the consumer and the seller both lose out on money, while the states, whom keep inadequately keep spending money, make out with more money to spend... inadequately.

Raising/instilling taxes isn't the answer. Budget cuts are, and I'm not talking about to schools, military, etc. They need to stop paying themselves so much goddamn money and giving themselves such nice perks. It'll never happen though, so the middleclass and poor will have to take it in the ass.
Dude, the consumer is already obligated to pay these taxes--it's not instilling new taxes, it's just a different way to enforce that consumers actually pay these taxes such that the state gets what is written in the law that consumers should pay. It's just that this would assess the taxes at the time of purchase rather than trust that the consumer will honestly report such taxes to the state when they file taxes.

It is NOT making new taxes or a new tax law. It's just enforcing current taxes and tax laws.


I just can't comprehend why people don't understand this.
    
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I would prefer that Amazon charged sales tax at the time of purchase so that I wouldn't have to keep track of my purchases and list them manually on a tax return.
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Dude, the consumer is already obligated to pay these taxes--it's not instilling new taxes, it's just a different way to enforce that consumers actually pay these taxes such that the state gets what is written in the law that consumers should pay. It's just that this would assess the taxes at the time of purchase rather than trust that the consumer will honestly report such taxes to the state when they file taxes.

It is NOT making new taxes or a new tax law. It's just enforcing current taxes and tax laws.


I just can't comprehend why people don't understand this.
No, it's paying new taxes to me, because I never payed them before. I don't know of any fool that would go out of their way to pay the tax if it's not being enforced. "Oh I bought this in Idaho, well time to go back to Maine and pay the difference...durp durp". Seriously, who does that? And why should they? It's the law? Sure, but you're NOT going to get tax audited for it. And to enforce it would mean a huge scale enforcement that wouldn't be worth the tax money.


It was purchased in X state, you should only have to pay X tax and not Y. I think instead of enforcing this crap, the tax laws of this country need to change.
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Oh poor Walmart, Best Buy; ETC. Competition was totally fair for the local brick and mortar stores they replaced. I'm buying more online now; not because of the tax (Cali residents pay tax for Newegg orders. But because of the selection. Selection at huge brick and mortar chain retailers sucks compared to online. Because they're all about sales; The old Niche shops that actually had variety are disappearing. I really doubt they are hurting. Who cares.
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No, it's paying new taxes to me, because I never payed them before. I don't know of any fool that would go out of their way to pay the tax if it's not being enforced. "Oh I bought this in Idaho, well time to go back to Maine and pay the difference...durp durp". Seriously, who does that? And why should they? It's the law? Sure, but you're NOT going to get tax audited for it. And to enforce it would mean a huge scale enforcement that wouldn't be worth the tax money.


It was purchased in X state, you should only have to pay X tax and not Y. I think instead of enforcing this crap, the tax laws of this country need to change.
So if you were self-employed you wouldn't report any taxes either, just because they weren't taken automatically from your paycheck?

Anyhoo, the whole point is that you wouldn't get audited for it yet the state is still entitled to the tax, so it's easiest to enforce this law by enforcing that retailers charge taxes based on your location and remit it to the appropriate state. I can respect not wanting to pay more for a product than you used to have to pay, but it's not like it's fair to just not pay taxes because you don't want to.
    
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Have fun, I am just going to send all my stuff to Oregon or Delaware and get tax-free goods.
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