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I don't know, my thuban will do 4Ghz without breaking into a sweat, I imagine if they took the Deneb architecture and made a 4 core at 32 nm with it, it could easily have 4Ghz + stock clocks.
they've already scaled the architecture down from 65nm to 45nm, I honestly don't believe it would be possible to scale it down to 32nm without serious changes to it...so why do that? when BD is just around the corner
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And keep in mind people, 65nm-45nm was a large improvement for clock speed, performance and overclockability. I expect 45nm-32nm (Llano) to be the same.
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So... this new chip is the same as my old chip that I overclocked 2 years ago, but, a little slower. Gotcha.

Um... wait, what?
Well, except that it likely runs on significantly less power at a given clock, and is almost certainly able to achieve higher clocks on a given cooling method.
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they've already scaled the architecture down from 65nm to 45nm, I honestly don't believe it would be possible to scale it down to 32nm without serious changes to it...so why do that? when BD is just around the corner
Llano is K10.5 and it's 32nm...
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Llano is K10.5 and it's 32nm...
its also been modified, they removed the shared level 3 cache, increased the dedicated level 2 cache, put it on the same die as a gpu...might be "based" on k10.5...but it is probably more like k10.75 now...which isn't deneb.
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we're discussing Central Processing Units here. not motherboards. everybody knows AMD boards are cheaper because their chipset has less features and their sockets are cheaper. beside motherboards do not account for pure CPU performance differences.
But you don't buy a CPU alone, do you? I can't run a 2600K on my motherboard, nor could I run a Bulldozer on it, if you're going to compare prices then compare realistic prices.

And less features? What? The 890FX has as many as PCIe lanes as x58, 890GX and below match P55...The only feature I can think of as missing is RAID5, but if you're using that on anything but a dedicated RAID card, you're doing it wrong, plus, SB850 has 6 SATA6Gbit ports whereas P67 only has 2, I don't know which chipset you've been watching but AMD is equal to Intel in features at this point.

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they've already scaled the architecture down from 65nm to 45nm, I honestly don't believe it would be possible to scale it down to 32nm without serious changes to it...so why do that? when BD is just around the corner
Phenom and Phenom II are tweaked Athlon64s, which is a tweaked Athlon Classic in itself, so at least a bit of the architecture has been from around 180nm down to 32nm with Llano.
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Phenom and Phenom II are tweaked Athlon64s, which is a tweaked Athlon Classic in itself, so at least a bit of the architecture has been from around 180nm down to 32nm with Llano.
this i understand

but its all been tweaked...to fit into the new size...its why an ant can't be grown to the size of an elephant and why an elephant can't be shrunk to the size of a ant...they would both die...

i guess what i originally was trying to say, its not as simple as feeding the k10.5 schematics into a 32nm fabricator and it producing a good cpu, they would need to scale this or that down architectural first...and with BD just right there, outside of our reach...is it really needed? great that llano will be this, as i'm actually looking forward to llano based laptops (hopefully a reasonable priced laptop with killer graphics can be had, as intel's solution is well, not what would hope for.)

I guess i could see them investing the time and money into the die shrink for k10.5 for the lower end market, if BD is actually just meant for the server and high end/enthusiast market...it definitely would give lower tdp's, voltages, and higher stable clocks...but even then, it wouldn't exactly put it on par (with the exceptions of the apu versions) with that of sandybridges...
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Stock Core i7 like 920 @ 2.66Ghz. No i am being serious, most people dont OC and PII @ 3.7Ghz could easily be faster.
LOL !!

Check this review that has PII 975 (clocked at 3.6GHz), and i7 920 @ stock speed
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A..._X4_975/1.html

It seems that i7 920 is an easy winner in majority of benchmarks.

Sure PII 980 has 0.1GHz higher clock than PII 975, but do you seriously think that this extra 0.1GHz is going to make it better than i7 920 ?

These days you can get i7 950/960 for the same price as i7 920. Why would any one compare any CPU to i7 920 when it has been replaced by higher clocked ones

EDIT: If most people don't overclock as you say, then i5 2300 or i5 2400 is better choice than PII 980
Edited by ThePath - 3/20/11 at 9:33am
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And in two months Phenom II X4 985 3.8Ghz!
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NOT TRUE.
This just in. Microcenter has this chip for $140. This will happen in ~1 month.
/NOT TRUE

AMD you go ahead and release chips, I have no problem with it. I bet they are taking the old Deneb architecture chips, selling them as different models, TO MAKE MONEYZ FOR BD. PLEASE?!?!
 
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