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Originally Posted by EvanPitts View Post
Yeah - cool. It's like a subliminal message, like Sony is saying "don't buy our bag of hurt, because you can spend the same money on a system that doesn't need all of the jailbreaking in order to be usable.
Dude, please just edit your posts if you have anything else to include after your last post. Do not make several posts in a row one after another when you can just add it to your original post.
post #102 of 106
Confirmed Fake. It's a debug system
     
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post #103 of 106
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Terms of Use/Service change that.
Wrong - contracts can not be enforced that break the law. Just like southern plantation owners can't have contracts with terms of service that impose slavery upon people. It could be construed as a contract, and may pretend to be "legal", but it is against the law, so the contract is null.

Your whole argument is predicated on the notion that a corporate can unilaterally change the terms of service, can place upon their users terms that are against the law, and can brick user's machines at will for whatever "violation" they can cook up.

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There are restrictions to Windows, just a whole lot less. Windows depends on other developers openly developing for it.
Wrong - MS does not require the Open Source community to publish OpenOffice, nor any other bit of kit. MS is entirely capable of writing whatever software they might wish - but to do so by using monopolistic, anti-competitive measures is illegal, no matter what their EULA.

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Reverse engineering Windows, and then releasing its security keys so anyone can unlock it without buying a key would be "illegal".
Wrong - using reverse engineering to directly create competing software, or unlocking it to circumvent the purchase of license is illegal. However, to look at the coding in order to attain compatibility or interoperability, is entirely legal, and common practice. Also, MS would be restricted by anti-trust to impose the mandatory use of their SDK - and it seems to me that for Sony not to allow "competing" compilers or OSes on their platform is likewise an anti-trust situation.

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Using non-stock hardware is different from breaking contracts, cracking security, and then exploiting content.
How is it different? Processors also have copyright and patent protections, and are covered by legal contracts - and modding them is as "illegal" as GeoHot's mod of the PS3. It's the same as software - if you are not running all MS software, by your own argument, you are "breaking the law" because MS is losing profits that it could potentially make.

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When I said natively supports, it was a generalization so you could understand the fact that you don't need to crack the PS3 to be functional.
Sure, and you can entirely use IE to surf the web - no need for Chrome or FF because IE is "fully functional". However, people have choice, and for a PS3 to attain full functionality, it requires jailbreaking, especially in the light that prior to the "update", the OtherOS feature was fully functional, and left broken after the update.

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You are free to go rob a bank, doesn't make it right. Doesn't mean you won't get punished for it.
Sure, but there are no laws that prohibit modding or customization for personal use.

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You are free to crack your PS3, but Sony is free to ban you from PSN
But this was not the course of action Sony took - they didn't ban people from PSN. Rather, they issued an "update" that removed a feature people paid for, and engaged in malicious prosecution of regular, law abiding citizens who did not and do not operate "hacked" or jailbroken PS3s, but only watched a video on YouTube or commented on a public forum.

If GeoHot was cheating on PSN, then I would expect he would get the heave-ho from PSN - but to go around and brick legitimate machines, to use virus techniques to remove features that were paid for, and to persecute people who participate in legal, legitmate onlime communities and engage in the common pursuits of modding and customing - is entire wrong.

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Geo didn't just crack the PS3, he openly distributed it to everyone with instructions. He shared the signing keys, he did more than "hobbying".
And all kinds of shows on TV show engage in exactly the same things, from home renovations (in which people choose to willfully disregard the architect's designs), to car modding shows, motorcycle modding shows, and whatever. None of it is illegal. You can mod a car - so long as you comply with emission standards. Want to plunk a big block Chevy into a Ford Festiva - it is entirely legal, so long as emission and safety standards are met if you want to use it on the road. Want to run a computer with AMI or Phoenix BIOS - entirely legal even though BIOS is IBM's original firmware for PC's. And so on. By your definition, pretty much all discussions on OCN are illegal, because it takes away from the various "terms of service".

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They aren't prosecuting people that read the blogs or forums. They were getting numbers to know how much Geo spread the information, because that is one of the things he is in court for.
Sure looks like they are persecuting readers - considering they are scooping up great wads of personal data and internet addresses along the way, and issuing summons forcing people into court as "witnesses".

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By updating, you agree to all of the changes and it is perfectly okay.
So by that measure - it would be entirely legal if AMD/Intel issued a BIOS update that removed overclocking and shut off out aftermarket cooling system; and entirely legal for MS to issue an update that shuts off all your non-MS software - because it is "perfectly okay"?

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The terms clearly state that they have the right to remove features.
They may have those terms, but they are not legal. Like if you buy a car, GM can't come along and remove the seats because they have "terms" that allow them to do such things. This is entirely silly, and you know it. What Sony has the right to do is to chop cheaters and pirates off of PSN - they do not have the right to brick purchased machines, and they do not have the right to impede homebrew or modders or customizers, so long as those innovations do not directly create problems for other users.

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What they asked you to agree to didn't break any laws, so it is completely legitimate.
Bricking machines owned by legitmate users is certainly illegal - it is the same as robbery, because the damage created is that the customer paid for something, then had it revoked, and hence, is fraud.

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The update is different from a trojan horse, because they didn't hide their intentions.
So it would be okay for a virus writer to write a virus that destroyed heaps of data, if they happen to announce it on some obscure web site? This is exactly the same as a trojan, because people paid (at least in part), for a system that can run OtherOS, and while using that for legitimate, legal pursuits, had their system bricked by an update that makes the machine worthless (at least in part).

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Not long after the crack was first released, there were games that were swamped with cheaters. It is a problem, you cannot deny that. Plus, I can't imagine the amount of pirates doing it to get out of paying for games. Despite what the majority of this community may believe, pirating is stealing.
My point is that it is appropriate for Sony to pursue the problems of cheating and piracy - while it is entirely inappropriate for Sony to engage in malicious persecution of people who were using OtherOS or engaging in the legal activities of modding and customing. This is not some Syrian Mugabe-paradise where the rule of law is subjugated to some kind of crass money-taking. People purchased a PS3 for legal pursuits and personal enjoyment - and if Sony has a problem with Cheaters and Pirates, it is wrong to persecute people who were running Linux, or watching YouTube videos, or any other legal, legitmate pursuit. It seems to me that the main problem is that PSN is lame and open to all kinds of cheating, because it employs inferior security measures, and their console is riddled with bugs that leave it open to all kinds of circumvention.
post #104 of 106
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Originally Posted by ALiShaikh View Post
Confirmed Fake. It's a debug system
xD
Of course it was fake. Thank you.
People didn't need a degree in computer sciences and computer programming to tell that this was a fake. Someone comes out of nowhere, claims he has "hacked" a PS3, has only a youtube video of "proof", and when asked what he did: he says he doesn't even know. He's then talk of the town.

What did I tell ya? People are so gullible, it's hilarious how sad people fail to read into things. Anything on the internet must be true huh. Just like the 50 different "PS3 hacks" that have existed since the PS3 launched.

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Originally Posted by OmegaNemesis28 View Post
I find it hilarious that most people posting "failboat" or "haha" haven't even read the article. It looks as if you're just reading the title (of which is misleading), and posting.


I call bs until there is some concrete proof. Shady videos like that have come out for the PS3's hacking scene since the console came out. I can't tell you how many videos people thought were legit over the past 4 years where it turned out to be a sham. I call this one a hoax just as much. Who is this guy? Where did he come from? Where is the proof? Where is the software itself? And how did he even do it? You don't just simply walk into a CFW on a platform that has been unhackable till now.

I especially like this:
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13:15] <MyCE> Many seem to be claiming that your 3.60 hack video is fake, is it legit?
[13:15] <ThatBoringHacker> yeah
[13:15] <ThatBoringHacker> they don’t like change is the thing
[13:15] <ThatBoringHacker> haha
Right. "They don't like change" is why people are calling it a fake. XD


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01[13:17] <MyCE> so you think it was a fluke?
01[13:18] <MyCE> or is it something that you did to your console before installing 3.6?
[13:18] <ThatBoringHacker> no clue what happened
Even better
Who's laughing now? Sony or the 98% of the gullible readers on this site and elsewhere?

I'm shocked Enterprise was in the thread and didn't lock it awhile ago. Every other site has this listed as a rumor, Karakotos said it was fake like a week ago, and all the sites have edits on them.

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And no one does this:
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[03:15] while you are insulting me like morons, I already have code running on 3.60, and I am laughing, and guess what ? I am happy I stopped sharing, you can hate me for it, I don't care
Not even GeoHot did it when he flipped out like a kid on his blog like that.
Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 3/21/11 at 1:40pm
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Since this has been determined to be fake (and since some senseless bickering is flaring up), there's no point in leaving it open. Closed.
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post #106 of 106
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Originally Posted by OmegaNemesis28 View Post
xD
Of course it was fake. Thank you.
People didn't need a degree in computer sciences and computer programming to tell that this was a fake. Someone comes out of nowhere, claims he has "hacked" a PS3, has only a youtube video of "proof", and when asked what he did: he says he doesn't even know. He's then talk of the town.

What did I tell ya? People are so gullible, it's hilarious how sad people fail to read into things. Anything on the internet must be true huh. Just like the 50 different "PS3 hacks" that have existed since the PS3 launched.



Who's laughing now? Sony or the 98% of the gullible readers on this site and elsewhere?

I'm shocked Enterprise was in the thread and didn't lock it awhile ago. Every other site has this listed as a rumor, Karakotos said it was fake like a week ago, and all the sites have edits on them.

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And no one does this:


Not even GeoHot did it when he flipped out like a kid on his blog like that.
I have a life and don't search the net to see if something is fake lol.
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