Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [Toms/BT] DirectX Holding Back Game Performance
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Toms/BT] DirectX Holding Back Game Performance - Page 4

post #31 of 61
I was going to post, but then VulcanDragon read my mind.
chevador
(13 items)
 
chevtop
(6 items)
 
 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2.5ghz (Ivy Bridge) Intel HD4000 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 128GB SSD 
OSMonitor
OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 13" 1280x800 
  hide details  
Reply
chevador
(13 items)
 
chevtop
(6 items)
 
 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2.5ghz (Ivy Bridge) Intel HD4000 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 128GB SSD 
OSMonitor
OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 13" 1280x800 
  hide details  
Reply
post #32 of 61
Lord of the Chicken Wings? Brb, food...



*back* Ok, I got hungry there for a sec.

As long as developers are not dragging down PC versions of games, all is well. If they cater to consoles and port games to PC (WHICH WERE DEVELOPED ON PC IN THE FIRST PLACE), they are castrating their own potential.

SEPARATION OF PC AND CONSOLE!
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 920 D0 stepping @ 4.+GHz ASUS Rampage III Extreme + EK-FB-R3E water block MSI GTX 480s in 3-Way SLI Mushkin Enhanced Ridgeback DDR3 1600 6GB (3 x 2GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB ASUS CD/DVD burner Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (Triple) ASUS VW266H 19x12 each @ 5760 x 1200 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Comfort Wave 450 Black (Dual) Corsair HX1000s Mountain Mods Ascension (modded) Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
(Dual) XTracPads Ripper XXL 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 920 D0 stepping @ 4.+GHz ASUS Rampage III Extreme + EK-FB-R3E water block MSI GTX 480s in 3-Way SLI Mushkin Enhanced Ridgeback DDR3 1600 6GB (3 x 2GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB ASUS CD/DVD burner Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (Triple) ASUS VW266H 19x12 each @ 5760 x 1200 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Comfort Wave 450 Black (Dual) Corsair HX1000s Mountain Mods Ascension (modded) Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
(Dual) XTracPads Ripper XXL 
  hide details  
Reply
post #33 of 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth View Post
Lord of the Chicken Wings? Brb, food...



*back* Ok, I got hungry there for a sec.

As long as developers are not dragging down PC versions of games, all is well. If they cater to consoles and port games to PC (WHICH WERE DEVELOPED ON PC IN THE FIRST PLACE), they are castrating their own potential.

SEPARATION OF PC AND CONSOLE!
Any game that will come in all platforms is a port of a kind and they will run badly in PC. A True PC game is one that comes only to PC and those tend to be the best. SC2, Wow, CS, TF2. Once a game goes Console or the other way around its no good anymore because you know developers are only and only sneaking money.
Ishimura
(21 items)
 
Silent Knight
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.6GHz ASRock Z77E-ITX eVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid AMD Radeon R9 16GB DDR3-2400MHz  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB Toshiba X300 5TB Corsair H100i GTX eVGA Hybrid Water Cooler  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
4x GentleTyphoon AP-15 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Philips Brilliance BDM4065UC 4K Razer BlackWidow Chroma  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 Define Nano S Logitech G502 Proteus Core PECHAM Gaming Mouse Pad XX-Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 DAC Mackie CR Series CR3 Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Sennheiser HD 598 
Audio
Sony XB950BT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.2GHz ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB @ 1200/1500 2x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
Case
NZXT Switch 810  
  hide details  
Reply
Ishimura
(21 items)
 
Silent Knight
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.6GHz ASRock Z77E-ITX eVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid AMD Radeon R9 16GB DDR3-2400MHz  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB Toshiba X300 5TB Corsair H100i GTX eVGA Hybrid Water Cooler  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
4x GentleTyphoon AP-15 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Philips Brilliance BDM4065UC 4K Razer BlackWidow Chroma  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 Define Nano S Logitech G502 Proteus Core PECHAM Gaming Mouse Pad XX-Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 DAC Mackie CR Series CR3 Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Sennheiser HD 598 
Audio
Sony XB950BT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.2GHz ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB @ 1200/1500 2x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
Case
NZXT Switch 810  
  hide details  
Reply
post #34 of 61
I won't complain too much, I enjoy playing MW2 on PC.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 920 D0 stepping @ 4.+GHz ASUS Rampage III Extreme + EK-FB-R3E water block MSI GTX 480s in 3-Way SLI Mushkin Enhanced Ridgeback DDR3 1600 6GB (3 x 2GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB ASUS CD/DVD burner Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (Triple) ASUS VW266H 19x12 each @ 5760 x 1200 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Comfort Wave 450 Black (Dual) Corsair HX1000s Mountain Mods Ascension (modded) Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
(Dual) XTracPads Ripper XXL 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 920 D0 stepping @ 4.+GHz ASUS Rampage III Extreme + EK-FB-R3E water block MSI GTX 480s in 3-Way SLI Mushkin Enhanced Ridgeback DDR3 1600 6GB (3 x 2GB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial RealSSD C300 256GB ASUS CD/DVD burner Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (Triple) ASUS VW266H 19x12 each @ 5760 x 1200 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Comfort Wave 450 Black (Dual) Corsair HX1000s Mountain Mods Ascension (modded) Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
(Dual) XTracPads Ripper XXL 
  hide details  
Reply
post #35 of 61
Even if this is true...

Doesn't mean developers will make higher quality games on PC when they're usually just porting them over with slightly higher poly models and high resolution textures.
New and Shiny
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Rynze 7 1700 ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero Sapphire HD7950 G.SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14D 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX 3K Crucial MX300 Western Digital Black Western Digital Green 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Western Digital Red Noctua NH-U14S Windows 10 Pro Dell U2414H 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2414H Ducky One Corsair RM650x NZXT H440 White 
MouseAudio
Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Xonar DX 
  hide details  
Reply
New and Shiny
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Rynze 7 1700 ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero Sapphire HD7950 G.SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14D 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX 3K Crucial MX300 Western Digital Black Western Digital Green 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Western Digital Red Noctua NH-U14S Windows 10 Pro Dell U2414H 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2414H Ducky One Corsair RM650x NZXT H440 White 
MouseAudio
Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Xonar DX 
  hide details  
Reply
post #36 of 61
In my mind, Crysis was the end. Since then, almost every game released cross-platform has dwindled, especially when you consider how long ago it was released.
Little Black Box
(18 items)
 
Vostro
(7 items)
 
Galaxy S4
(7 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k AsRock Fatal1ty Z170 ITX EVGA GTX 980 SC G. Skill Trident Z 16GB(2x8GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 830 64GB Samsung 840 Evo 120GB Seagate ST 2TB Seagate ST 500GB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Corsair H60 Win 10 Pro Planar PX2710MW AOC U2868PQU 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RGB80 Corsair HX850 Corsair Obsidian 250D Logitech M705 
Mouse Pad
XTrac Ripper XL 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo T5670 Dell OEM Intel GMA 950 3Gb DDR2-667 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
WD Scorpio Blue 250Gb Linux Ubuntu 12.10 x64 15.4" Tru-Bright 1280x800 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Snapdragon 600 MSM8960 Adreno 320 2GB LPDDR 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
16GB+16GB Jelly Bean 4.2.2 JDQ 1080p 
  hide details  
Reply
Little Black Box
(18 items)
 
Vostro
(7 items)
 
Galaxy S4
(7 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6600k AsRock Fatal1ty Z170 ITX EVGA GTX 980 SC G. Skill Trident Z 16GB(2x8GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 830 64GB Samsung 840 Evo 120GB Seagate ST 2TB Seagate ST 500GB 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Corsair H60 Win 10 Pro Planar PX2710MW AOC U2868PQU 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Rosewill RGB80 Corsair HX850 Corsair Obsidian 250D Logitech M705 
Mouse Pad
XTrac Ripper XL 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo T5670 Dell OEM Intel GMA 950 3Gb DDR2-667 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
WD Scorpio Blue 250Gb Linux Ubuntu 12.10 x64 15.4" Tru-Bright 1280x800 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Snapdragon 600 MSM8960 Adreno 320 2GB LPDDR 
Hard DriveOSMonitor
16GB+16GB Jelly Bean 4.2.2 JDQ 1080p 
  hide details  
Reply
post #37 of 61
^agree with you there. crysis 2, albeit not released, (1 day left) is something of a disappointment imo. next time i will never preorder anything from crytek again.
on the other hand, waiting for BF3. they ditched windows xp and dx9. exactly what i wanted. will preorder bf3. let's hope i won't be disappointed again.
Dream PC
(17 items)
 
Surface Pro 3
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
INTEL Core i7 6700K ASUS Maximus VIII Hero Z170 MSI Geforce GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 series 16GB DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
SAMSUNG SM951 NVMe 512GB SAMSUNG 850 EVO 1TB COOLER MASTER Nepton 280L MICROSOFT Windows 10 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
BENQ XL2420TE DELL UltraSharp U2415 WASD V2 custom CORSAIR HX850i 
CaseMouseAudioOther
NZXT H440 white CORSAIR Vengeance M95 CREATIVE Sound Blaster Z CPU Delid 
Other
LED Lighting 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4300U Microsoft Surface Intel HD Graphics 4400 8 GB DDR3L 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardMouse
256 GB SSD Windows 10 Pro x64 Surface Pro 4 Type Cover with Fingerprint ID Microsoft Arc Mouse Surface Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream PC
(17 items)
 
Surface Pro 3
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
INTEL Core i7 6700K ASUS Maximus VIII Hero Z170 MSI Geforce GTX 980 Ti Gaming 6G G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 series 16GB DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
SAMSUNG SM951 NVMe 512GB SAMSUNG 850 EVO 1TB COOLER MASTER Nepton 280L MICROSOFT Windows 10 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
BENQ XL2420TE DELL UltraSharp U2415 WASD V2 custom CORSAIR HX850i 
CaseMouseAudioOther
NZXT H440 white CORSAIR Vengeance M95 CREATIVE Sound Blaster Z CPU Delid 
Other
LED Lighting 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 4300U Microsoft Surface Intel HD Graphics 4400 8 GB DDR3L 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardMouse
256 GB SSD Windows 10 Pro x64 Surface Pro 4 Type Cover with Fingerprint ID Microsoft Arc Mouse Surface Edition 
  hide details  
Reply
post #38 of 61
I don't see what they are proposing in the article being feasible at all. Devs can program direct to metal on the consoles because they only have one configuration. By removing the API you'll need to program for every kinda of configuration out there (at least every generation of cards). With devs complaining about how hard it is to optimize the game for PCs already, I don't see any devs would be brave enough to program direct to metal on PC. No matter what, we're stuck graphically, until the next gen console comes out.
FairladyZ
(14 items)
 
Twin Turbo S2000
(13 items)
 
Skyline
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600k Asus P8Z68-M Pro MSI GTX970 Gaming 4G Corsair Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Black Hybrid 1TB WD10S12X Asus BW-12B1ST Thermaltake WATER2.0 Pro Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
MAG Innovision 22 inch LCD Samsung SyncMaster 2220wm Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Antec Earthwatts 750w 
CaseMouse
Cooler Master Elite 430 Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 (@3.4ghz, lapped) ASRock P45TurboTwins2000 HD4850 (@800gpu/1087mem) Patriot PC2-6400 2x2GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD6400AALS/WD6400AAKS Emprex DVD±RW Win7 Ultimate x86/XP Pro(Dual Boot) MAG 22" WS LCD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
HP 5302H Multimedia Keyboard Antec Basiq 500w + Ultra Xconnect 500w Cooler Master Mystique 632S Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon X2 4600+ (@2.75ghz, lapped) ECS KN1 Lite Sapphire X1950GT 512mb (@681/661) 2x1GB Mushikin DDR400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Hitachi 80GB Maddog DVD-RW Windows XP Pro SP2 Mag 22" WS LCD LT2219WDB 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Hewlett Packard 5302H Apevia 500w Generic CompUSA Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 
Mouse Pad
None 
  hide details  
Reply
FairladyZ
(14 items)
 
Twin Turbo S2000
(13 items)
 
Skyline
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600k Asus P8Z68-M Pro MSI GTX970 Gaming 4G Corsair Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 16GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Black Hybrid 1TB WD10S12X Asus BW-12B1ST Thermaltake WATER2.0 Pro Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
MAG Innovision 22 inch LCD Samsung SyncMaster 2220wm Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Antec Earthwatts 750w 
CaseMouse
Cooler Master Elite 430 Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 (@3.4ghz, lapped) ASRock P45TurboTwins2000 HD4850 (@800gpu/1087mem) Patriot PC2-6400 2x2GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD6400AALS/WD6400AAKS Emprex DVD±RW Win7 Ultimate x86/XP Pro(Dual Boot) MAG 22" WS LCD 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
HP 5302H Multimedia Keyboard Antec Basiq 500w + Ultra Xconnect 500w Cooler Master Mystique 632S Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon X2 4600+ (@2.75ghz, lapped) ECS KN1 Lite Sapphire X1950GT 512mb (@681/661) 2x1GB Mushikin DDR400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Hitachi 80GB Maddog DVD-RW Windows XP Pro SP2 Mag 22" WS LCD LT2219WDB 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Hewlett Packard 5302H Apevia 500w Generic CompUSA Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 
Mouse Pad
None 
  hide details  
Reply
post #39 of 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by DjiXas View Post
Have you read the article at all?
It's a Toms article, what do you expect? It was one big .

-In the DOS days, software developers delivered 'drivers' (= direct-access, lowlevel VGA progamming) with their game. Only the most common video chipsets were supported. We HAVE been there. We HAVE been coding against hardware directly.

-DirextX marginally decreases performance due to the "HAL". This is insignificant to the power / performance videocard driver developers deliver through the HAL. This means, software coded for DirectX 11 utilizes all these features with minimal performance loss through the HAL.

-Consoles DO hold back game development for the PC platform. Direct hardware programming won't change ***** about that.

As usual, Tom's strawman articling its way to page hits.
The Box
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 5960X (4.444GHz/4.242GHz) ASUS Rampage 5 Extreme MSI Gaming GTX 970 4GB (2 way SLI) 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 (3232MHz, 15-15-17-38-1T) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
ICH: 2x160GB-R0 EX4650: 4x1.5TB-R5 Windows 7 Ultimate IIyama XB2776QS 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510s SilverStone Strider 850W Mountain Mods U2-UFO Logitech G502 
Audio
Onboard Realtek HD 
  hide details  
Reply
The Box
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 5960X (4.444GHz/4.242GHz) ASUS Rampage 5 Extreme MSI Gaming GTX 970 4GB (2 way SLI) 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws 4 (3232MHz, 15-15-17-38-1T) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
ICH: 2x160GB-R0 EX4650: 4x1.5TB-R5 Windows 7 Ultimate IIyama XB2776QS 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510s SilverStone Strider 850W Mountain Mods U2-UFO Logitech G502 
Audio
Onboard Realtek HD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #40 of 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicBox View Post
As usual, Tom's strawman articling its way to page hits.
What does this have to do with Tom's? This information came from an interview with an AMD employee that was done by Bit-Tech. Tom's just reworded it and made an article out of it.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 MSI X58 Pro-E GTX 560 Ti 448 3x2GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
840 Pro Caviar Black LG BD-ROM Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell U2713HM Dell U2311H Turbo-Trak (Google it :D) Corsair HX-520 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM690 Mionix Avior 7000 Everglide Titan AKG K 242 HD 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 MSI X58 Pro-E GTX 560 Ti 448 3x2GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
840 Pro Caviar Black LG BD-ROM Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell U2713HM Dell U2311H Turbo-Trak (Google it :D) Corsair HX-520 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM690 Mionix Avior 7000 Everglide Titan AKG K 242 HD 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Software News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [Toms/BT] DirectX Holding Back Game Performance