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Lord of the Chicken Wings? Brb, food...
Heh...I got that title sometime in the mid-90s in USENET's reg.games.computer.ultima-dragons newsgroup. People used to "toss" me a chicken wing all the time, sort of like getting rep here.

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As long as developers are not dragging down PC versions of games, all is well. If they cater to consoles and port games to PC (WHICH WERE DEVELOPED ON PC IN THE FIRST PLACE), they are castrating their own potential.

SEPARATION OF PC AND CONSOLE!
The thing is, though, that the "real money" in game publishing is in the consoles. I won't argue the whole tired "PC gaming is dying" thing again, but last time I saw any numbers it was clear that there are more games being sold, and therefore more money being made, in the console space than in the PC space. It only follows then that game developers have to target consoles first...that's where they are more likely to make money and have a successful product.

So from both a PC gamer's and developer's perspective, the actual ideal solution should be simultaneous platform targeting. Something like what id say that the Rage engine does: one code base that compiles to any and all platforms as is, with no porting. This is good for PC gamers, assuming that the compiler is smart enough to not dumb-down the PC compilation to the lowest common demoninator. And it is good for developers because porting is non-trivial and costs money, eliminating it to whatever degree possible boosts their bottom line. So whether or not you have any interest in Rage at all, we should all at least be interested in what id is trying to do with the Rage engine (I think it's called idTech 5, or something like that).
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Heh...I got that title sometime in the mid-90s in USENET's reg.games.computer.ultima-dragons newsgroup. People used to "toss" me a chicken wing all the time, sort of like getting rep here.



The thing is, though, that the "real money" in game publishing is in the consoles. I won't argue the whole tired "PC gaming is dying" thing again, but last time I saw any numbers it was clear that there are more games being sold, and therefore more money being made, in the console space than in the PC space. It only follows then that game developers have to target consoles first...that's where they are more likely to make money and have a successful product.

So from both a PC gamer's and developer's perspective, the actual ideal solution should be simultaneous platform targeting. Something like what id say that the Rage engine does: one code base that compiles to any and all platforms as is, with no porting. This is good for PC gamers, assuming that the compiler is smart enough to not dumb-down the PC compilation to the lowest common demoninator. And it is good for developers because porting is non-trivial and costs money, eliminating it to whatever degree possible boosts their bottom line. So whether or not you have any interest in Rage at all, we should all at least be interested in what id is trying to do with the Rage engine (I think it's called idTech 5, or something like that).
This is what Crysis 2 is trying. I've yet to try the game, or see any legitimate reviews, but from what I've seen elsewhere so far it isn't going too well. Of course that could be Crytek's fault and not a problem with simultaneous platform targeting.

There is still the upcoming Battlefield 3. It's a long shot, but if that goes well hopefully other developers will follow their example.

The thing that annoys me the most are not "ports" but the devs making all sort of lame excuses for not targeting the PC or claiming they are targeting the PC but in truth they are neglecting it even more.
Going after the money is fine. But lying to a portion of your customer base or treating them as if they are they are either a charity case or thieves is something completely unacceptable. Unfortunately many developers nowadays do that.
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The thing that annoys me the most are not "ports" but the devs making all sort of lame excuses for not targeting the PC or claiming they are targeting the PC but in truth they are neglecting it even more.
Going after the money is fine. But lying to a portion of your customer base or treating them as if they are they are either a charity case or thieves is something completely unacceptable. Unfortunately many developers nowadays do that.
Violent agreement. I'm willing to cut a lot of slack if I feel they're being honest. When I feel like I'm being lied to or jerked around, I get irritated quickly.
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i think BF3 is going to be a good pc games. hints that it's good: no windows xp or DX9, 64 players support. and how they say we better upgrade computers if we want to max it out. saving up for that game.

as for crysis 2, getting my preorder limited edition tomorrow. we'll see.
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i think BF3 is going to be a good pc games. hints that it's good: no windows xp or DX9, 64 players support. and how they say we better upgrade computers if we want to max it out. saving up for that game.

as for crysis 2, getting my preorder limited edition tomorrow. we'll see.
You sure no DX9 cause that would be amazing.
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Maybe in the future games will be in webgl or something similar. No physical media and no piracy.
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How would low level programing help if a main complaint is there are too many hardware variations? The amount of work required would be stupid which is why they don't do that. it would also mean you would have to keep legacy hardware in mind when making new hardware so older games would work right, so hardware manufacteurers would be handicapped that way anyways.
     
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i think BF3 is going to be a good pc games. hints that it's good: no windows xp or DX9, 64 players support. and how they say we better upgrade computers if we want to max it out. saving up for that game.

as for crysis 2, getting my preorder limited edition tomorrow. we'll see.

Crysis 2 is no more on my list... But yeah, Battlefield 3 should be somthing new, yet what we expected so long. Finally they will support high-end gamers. That amazing
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You sure no DX9 cause that would be amazing.
I'm sure. Check the thread.
    
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Why is it that some PC gamers feel that their version should be infinetly superior?
Or that Console Gamers should be penalized by having games ported onto consoles from PC, or being poorly optimized, for not belonging to the cult of the "PC MASTAH RAICE". Seriosuly, this is on par with people claiming that their console is arbitrarily better than the other console. Every system has crappy games, you deal with it.

Just my two cents
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