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ASUS P8Z68 V PRO Intel Z68 review

By: Hilbert Hagedoorn Edited by Syed Mohammad | Published: May 11, 2011
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[FONT=verdana,geneva] Finals Words and conclusion

Okay so we need to breakup this conclusion into two segments, the chipset and the actual ASUS mother board review. Let's start off with the chipset. The Intel Z68 chipset takes the best of both worlds in the series 6 chipset, monitor IO wise the H67 connectivity and IGP support and the power performance and tweaking features of the P67 chipset. Combined they make a strong duo and as such I welcome the Z67 chipset very much. It's especially the H67 end-users that can life with the IGP that would like to overclock a little. It's a much missed feature for them and the Z68 closes that gap. Bare in mind though you will need a K model Sandy Bridge processor in order to overclock.
The new Intel Smart Response Technology is something interesting but we feel will be very limited to a small group of enthusiast users that understand and know what they need to do before getting it setup properly. The idea is simple, use an SSD to cache the most used data of the operating system HDD. The downside here is a fairly complicated setup and an investment of an SSD. And though we feel once you purchase an SSD you will not want to compromise with the HDD injected into that core data, it might end up as a sound solution. The performance increases are impressive none the less and combined with a small cheap SSD, this might be an excellent alternative for the budget minded that dream of SSD performance.
Though not a specific Intel feature, pretty much all Z68 will come with graphics switching technology, whether that comes from NVIDIA (Optimus) or Lucid Virtu will be dependant on the ODM (Original Device Manufacturer), but with Intel having a sizable share in Lucid, we think most Z68 motherboards will see the light of Virtu, allowing your motherboard to quickly switch in-between the Sandy bridge IGP and the dedicated graphics card. Admittedly, the current control software is a joke to look at and it isn't stable either. None the less, you do get to choose from the best of both worlds, nothing is faster then transcoding a movie with MediaShow Espressso over say a Core i7 2600K processor with the now enabled benefit of Quick Sync being active. Normally when a dedicated graphics card is installed, these feature would be lost. And that's where Virtu will help out, you assign your IGP to that transcoding job whereas for gaming the dedicated graphics card kicks in. We like the idea, the implementation itself needs to get a whole lot better though. But it is a decent enough start.
The ASUS P8Z68-V-PRO motherboard itself then, yeah we like it. It's that typical ASUS design that again is striking and offering a truckload of features. ASUS takes that Z68 chipset and then adds, adds, and adds. The end result is a motherboard with massive overclockability, great baseline performance and the industry's best EFI BIOS implementation. Seriously, the ASUS EFI (GUI based) BIOS rocks hard man, it's a great GUI and easy to navigate in environment. This motherboard is based of the new 14-phase Digi+ VRM to power the CPU plus anther two for the memory. The board is loaded with features including two additional SATA 6G ports (Marvel), USB 3.0, BlueTooth, the card features four DIMM sockets, two PCI Express x1 slots, two legacy PCI slots, as well as three PCI Express x16 slots, but don't expect surprises for multi-GPU support, since the Z68 chipset is identical to the P67 in this respect - just a pair of discrete graphics cards are supported in the x8/x8 configuration.
All in all the component usage is top notch again and the baseline performance even a hint faster then P67. The board layout is excellent, everything is well placed, you'll have plenty of FAN headers and will see the now expected as normal micro buttons for reset/power but also micro switches for EPU, TPU and MemOK.imageview.php?image=10996
Yes, the ASUS P8 series are sound and rock solid and as such they are hard to beat. The combination of this motherboard with Intel's Z68 and Lucid Virtu mode is interesting. Really, we feel that Z68 is what should have been H67 and P67 these two chipsets stirred up a lot of confusion. We do know for sure that hardware wise this board is a winner. Tweaking wise you'll achieve the same results as on P67, you can clock a K series Sandy Bridge processor quite quickly to roughly 4.5 to 5.0 GHz. At the moment of writing this article the ASUS P8Z68-V PRO is listed for roughly 175~185€, and though not cheap, that seems to be a fair price. As such we can very much recommend the ASUS P8Z68-V PRO
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Originally Posted by turrican9;13488016 
The integrated graphics and HDD/SSD caching features in the Z68 is more suitable for the future low cost OEMs, Office computers and Laptops. No doubt about it.

H67 is for your run of the mill home computer. Like some that is going to be using it for email and word processing. Your non gamer.

p67 is your enthusiast board for you gamer that has no use for integrated graphics.

z68 is for your person that uses there computer for items such as design, video, audio, and other types of things that are very cpu dependent, and a decent integrated graphics will work.

They all have features that will work for different people. If I had to build a computer for my Mom, I would go h67 all day long. If I had to build a computer for my brother, I would pick the z68. If I had to pick one for me and I did, I would go p67. Its all breaks down to your needs.

I had to build a computer for the video department that we were starting up for a web design company that I use to work for and I bought a decent graphics card but nothing top of the line because I did not need it. Now if I had to pick something to day I would pick the z68 all day long and use the integrated gpu.
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Pretty much this. I don't play a lot of games, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equi^H ^H ^H, I mean I prefer the best experience I can afford. And that definitely does not include onboard graphics.
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Originally Posted by leichtwork;13488061 
H67 is for your run of the mill home computer. Like some that is going to be using it for email and word processing. Your non gamer.

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Wrong, I have an ATI 6850 and I have quicksynch enabled on my H67. It will encode a blueray in less than 1/3 the time any P67 setup can. I can play 99% of games with performance as good as your average enthusiast. I'm sorry but you are just not correct about this.


The big question is whether you can enable quicksynch while using a discrete graphics card without resorting to Virtu on a Z68, none of the reviews seem to have enough sense to test this or Virtu is paying them not to.
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Originally Posted by leichtwork;13488061 
H67 is for your run of the mill home computer. Like some that is going to be using it for email and word processing. Your non gamer.

p67 is your enthusiast board for you gamer that has no use for integrated graphics.

z68 is for your person that uses there computer for items such as design, video, audio, and other types of things that are very cpu dependent, and a decent integrated graphics will work.

It would be far better to think of the integrated graphics as a dedicated encoding processor than an inferior alternative to discreet graphics. Then your statement runs something like this:

H67 is for your run of the mill home computer user - someone who is going to be using it for email and word processing. Your non-enthusiast who does some video encoding / transcoding on the side to shift files onto their portable media.

P67 is your enthusiast board for the gamer that has no use for a transcoding processor - effectively just another motherboard and CPU upgrade on which you can do the same things, but a bit faster. Like i7 vs Core 2 Quad.

Z68 is for those that use their computer for design, video, audio, and other things that are very CPU dependent, as well as anything requiring decent discreet graphics like gaming. In particular, the 3x speed boost and appreciable quality difference of video encoding and transcoding.


The boundaries between the 3 are quite blurred - a Z68 user who doesn't OC could've used an H67, but if they didn't do any video encoding then they could've gone for a P67.
I personally am going for Z68 to SSD cache a 1Tb F3 with my current SSD, but if I subsequently get a larger SSD then I might as well have a P67, since I don't encode video at all.
Edited by zsolmanz - 5/15/11 at 10:49am
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It would be far better to think of the integrated graphics as a dedicated encoding processor than an inferior alternative to discreet graphics. Then your statement runs something like this:

H67 is for your run of the mill home computer user - someone who is going to be using it for email and word processing. Your non-enthusiast who does some video encoding / transcoding on the side to shift files onto their portable media.

P67 is your enthusiast board for the gamer that has no use for a transcoding processor - effectively just another motherboard and CPU upgrade on which you can do the same things, but a bit faster. Like i7 vs Core 2 Quad.

Z68 is for those that use their computer for design, video, audio, and other things that are very CPU dependent, as well as anything requiring decent discreet graphics like gaming. In particular, the 3x speed boost and appreciable quality difference of video encoding and transcoding.


The boundaries between the 3 are quite blurred - a Z68 user who doesn't OC could've used an H67, but if they didn't do any video encoding then they could've gone for a P67.
I personally am going for Z68 to SSD cache a 1Tb F3 with my current SSD, but if I subsequently get a larger SSD then I might as well have a P67, since I don't encode video at all.

Maybe there all the same in terms of standard processing when it comes to gaming.
But with a P67 board you can Overclock to get faster performance which leaves h67 boards in the dust. Plus with those things you get more slots, heatsinks, better fraps when gaming...in the 100s....
I've read reviews of people gaming with several different types of H67 boards and they can get 90 fps and above, but I think that has more to do with the cpu by itself and a halfway descent card.
Z68....i dont know, when I read all this it just sounds like that board doesnt really do anything special its just a newer design, maybe it uses less power so its more efficient. Features more PCI-E slots and does away with those pin-style connectors and manufacturing the new stuff (USB, Firewire, optical output, HDMI) is still up in cost because the industry is just going into that direction, it is newer right? Thats probably why it cost a little more. I really dont understand what makes the z68 what it is. Nothing has really made headlines about what that board can do.
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Z68 is worth it for SSD cache alone, particularly when considering there really doesn't appear to be a price difference between Z68 and P67 at least as far as the mid to upper end boards go.

So unless you're lucky enough to be able to afford terabytes of SSD space to make caching completely irrelevant because you can fit everything on SSDs with room to spare, it really does make sense to have an SSD caching a fast HDD (or even a RAID) if you have enough apps to justify it (such as if you're like me and have recently gone on Steam sale binges over the past few months and have accrued several hundred GBs worth of games)

OS and most important apps/games on a primary SSD alongside HDD+SSD cache for remaining apps and any other HDDs/RAIDs for media/file storage.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be swapping out my P67 for a Z68 for that reason, just waiting on more options to hit the market before I pull the trigger.
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Your right bojinglebells....
I forgot I have alot of Music that needs editing, I hear the Z68 can handle those needs really quickly. Some of what is at hand is LOTS of decoding & encoding work. I was in the Market for an entry level MSI P67 board..... now I think I'll be considering a Z68 board big time.
How are the Overclocking abilities on the Z68's? I'll be looking into Mid-end boards
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zsolmanz, I think you really took what I was saying all wrong. I did not say you can not use it. But if you are going to be building a gaming rig and you want the best for your money. That would include the ability to over clock, you can not do this with any great success other then being able over clock a little, and that is even if the feature is available because many on them don't let you do that. Because you can't change the mulitiplier even if it is a K series chip. So this moves it back into the class as your run of the mill home computer. Now encoding movies and being a gamer are two different things. There are more people that use there computer to copy movies and all that jazz then people that just game alone.

Me I don't encode movies but I have 10 friends that do and they don't touch games. Now I game a lot and that is all I use my computer for (well besides work, I'm a graphic designer). But if I was to build a computer to surf the net, check email, use word processing, and stuff to that nature, I would see no need to buy anything but the H67.

Now for the SSD caching, please enjoy that. Go spend the money on a small ssd and have your caching and then buy your 2 other drives that you want to raid. I'm going to stick with my larger SSD for not that much more money and have greater over all performance. I would much rather not pay to piggy back a ssd on my hdd. Thats just my 2 cents.
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wow, the poll is almost split right down the middle. Id have to say if your going to get a gigabyte board, then go with the z68. Anything else (unless you need the extra z68 features) id go with p67
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