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Poll Results: Which setup is better and future proof?

 
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    P67 - You don't need anything else
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    Z68 - Newer technology is better
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post #81 of 91
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Originally Posted by combat_jack;13535355 
Maybe I'm just a little bit slow, but if there is little to no difference in the price point for P67 and Z68, and you can achieve the same overclocking results on both platforms....where is the logic in being so strongly against Z68? Word on the street is that P67/Z68 will be Ivy Bridge compatible with a BIOS update, and if you take the new Z68 features out of the equation it's like comparing oranges to oranges. Or maybe it's a little of the "well I have chipset X so that makes it better" syndrome that is always present with some people on this forum (and plenty of other forums as well.) ......... -snip- ....rase "future proof" in the context of system building / microarchitecture should be fed to wild dogs.

This is my first post on the forum, and I'm another one of those who found this thread through Google.

Your post, which sadly came at the very last page, is the first one to truly answer the question of the thread, and that is largely because -like you mentioned- fanboyism took over, even with something as obvious as the P67 and Z68.

Yes, in one sentence: The Z68 is a newer P67 with added features that you may or may not need for almost the same price.

There is no: "Well the P67 can offer X if you like Y". Nonsense.

Now I see from checking the rigs of most posters, that they have a P67, so I kinda understand why they'd try and make it look like the P67 has some edge in something, which it doesn't. This isn't a political forum, but a technical one, try not to be so delusional next time.

But I'm not only here to flame smile.gif I'm building a new rig in a couple of months, and even though the fanboys had everybody read 8 pages of useless bickering, before the quoted post, the 8 pages did have a lot of name-dropping that had me googling/wikiing/tomshardwaring/anadteching so I learned a lot of new things, kudos for that. smile.gif

I haven't been in the loop since my Athlon FX-62 and 6800 Ultra rig 5-6 years ago, so looking forward to some advice in future threads. I just hope people would be a little more factual than some appeared to be here.
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post #82 of 91
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Originally Posted by NeoCzar;13629661 
This is my first post on the forum, and I'm another one of those who found this thread through Google.

Your post, which sadly came at the very last page, is the first one to truly answer the question of the thread, and that is largely because -like you mentioned- fanboyism took over, even with something as obvious as the P67 and Z68.

Yes, in one sentence: The Z68 is a newer P67 with added features that you may or may not need for almost the same price.

There is no: "Well the P67 can offer X if you like Y". Nonsense.

Now I see from checking the rigs of most posters, that they have a P67, so I kinda understand why they'd try and make it look like the P67 has some edge in something, which it doesn't. This isn't a political forum, but a technical one, try not to be so delusional next time.

But I'm not only here to flame smile.gif I'm building a new rig in a couple of months, and even though the fanboys had everybody read 8 pages of useless bickering, before the quoted post, the 8 pages did have a lot of name-dropping that had me googling/wikiing/tomshardwaring/anadteching so I learned a lot of new things, kudos for that. smile.gif

I haven't been in the loop since my Athlon FX-62 and 6800 Ultra rig 5-6 years ago, so looking forward to some advice in future threads. I just hope people would be a little more factual than some appeared to be here.

It's not fanboyism. It's buyers remorse. It's been scientifically proven that when you're heavily invested in a purchase, you tend to feel diminished satisfaction from your product despite it still being in perfectly good working condition and performing the same as the day you bought it. It even applies to products where very little can change from one product cycle to the next - like cars, for example.

But it's especially prevalent in consumer electronics. Most people don't realize that Intel has been developing this technology for a long time, and part of that time was determining the release times for their products to maximize sales. That's why it takes so long for good, price-to-performance midrange boards to reach the market - they know that it's the platform that will be adopted by the most people who will probably experience the least amount of buyer's remorse. Aside from the fanboyism in this thread, most people could easily be satisfied with a midrange board for years to come - including enthusiasts.

In the long run, the fanboyism dies down and when the dust clears, most everyone on this board develops a nice mid-range build with a great price-to-performance ratio. Check people's sigs - I was surprised at first coming to this board and seeing that most people had a mid-range processor either from a current generation or a past one, a moderate amount of RAM, and a nice mid-range video card. Very few invest thousands on builds, and a lot of topics center around finding the best price-to-performance builds. And if you look in the sales forum, I always see more high-end builds for sale than mid-range ones, and usually because they realize that they don't need ultra-high-end performance.

oh btw, if you're looking for an Intel build, don't bother waiting for bulldozer. If nothing AMD offers right now interests you, nothing revealed with bulldozer will either, and mid-range chips will probably come out a year from now. If you want to upgrade now, don't bother waiting. Intel hardly lowers their CPU prices, if ever. And any good mid-range motherboard available right now will have all the features you'll need for the current generation. Any new features coming out in the future will just be window dressing. Motherboard prices hardly if ever go down either. You have to realize that it's very expensive for computer companies to manufacture this stuff - it has to be outsourced constantly, so they try to vary construction of their products as little as possible - which is more or less why there are so many "what's the difference between (entry level board) and (mid-range board) and (high end board) threads", and usually the consensus is that unless an entry level board is missing a feature that's important to your build, like a dual GPU set up or a higher FSB and RAM ceiling, there's little to no reason to justify the cost increase.
post #83 of 91
My Z68X UD5, 2500K rig is currently moonwalking along at 5ghz. And I had no clue what I was doing. 37 degrees at idle, and only 4 settings are not on auto.
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I just built myself a P67 (Sabertooth) i7-2600K rig and I must admit it works very good. I don't have much to compare it with, but compared to my previous P55 i5-750 the difference is definately there smile.gif

I have to admit that the reason I didn't go with the Z68 chipset is that I didn't know about it before I read a review of some MB's recently. If the price difference is low I don't see many reasons not to go with the Z68. But as others also point out, if the performance numbers is the same, and you don't need the extra features of the Z68, it's basically up to you which one you go for.

Personally I like the look of the Sabertooth, and I can't say that after reading about the Z68 that I regret buying the P67 MB that I did.
post #85 of 91
I am in the same boat as well. I am new to overclock.net and havent built a gaming rig before. I am leaving the Laptop scene since going with something much more powerful is mainly what I need. I am going with a sandy bridge foundation with the 2500k but between a couple mobos right now. One is the Gigabyte Z68 UD4 or the Asus P8p67 Pro. Both of these are SLI ready since I will be later running dual GPUs. I have one GTX 550ti SC right now. I am looking a little bit of a budget friendly buildup and want to spend less than a grand for now. Any Ideas.... I am still getting it all together.

thanks for any advice
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post #86 of 91
If you don't need Lucid's Virtu or Intel's Smart Response then which chipset you get is mostly irrelevant; just go for the least expensive board that will do what you want it to do.

If you will use the newer Z68 features, the choice is pretty obvious.
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I plan to get a SSD for it eventually... that being most of the reason... plus the Z68 is about 20 bucks cheaper than the P67 Pro and also im not sure of the heatsinks on the northbridge will fit the 2 cooling fans im looking at. The Thermaltake Frio or the Thermalright Silver Arrow. Would like to fun the 2500k at 4.5 GHz stable....

Thanks for the reply!
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post #88 of 91
This has been the most confusing part of the building process. Seems like half says just get P67 and half says get new technology (Z68).

Didn't think I was going to walk into an Apple vs Android battle.

I guess I'll flip a coin.
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thanks man - seems that way sometimes haha
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Constantine85;14520244 
I plan to get a SSD for it eventually... that being most of the reason... plus the Z68 is about 20 bucks cheaper than the P67 Pro and also im not sure of the heatsinks on the northbridge will fit the 2 cooling fans im looking at. The Thermaltake Frio or the Thermalright Silver Arrow. Would like to fun the 2500k at 4.5 GHz stable....

Thanks for the reply!

Some model names changed when going from P67 --> Z68. Just be careful about that.

i.e. Asrock P67 Pro3 (Power Phase of 8+2)
Asrock Z67 Pro3 (Power Phase of 4+1)
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