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Originally Posted by De-Zant;12840374 
Contrast does not equal color accuracy. Contrast doesn't tell you how good the colors look.That being said, the IPS monitors usually have superior color accuracy compared to VA panels.

The VA panel will also be worse for gaming. Ghosting will be more apparent. IPS is a clear winner here.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/benqbl2400pt-efter-2.jpg
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/necea232wmi-efter-2.jpg

note how the VA panel is almost perfectly inline with sRGB colour gamut.
and the IPS? well its too green too yellow and not blue enough compared to sRGB
to me it looks pretty much like the VA wins due to the fact IT ACTUALLY COVERS THE COLOUR GAMUT PROPERLY!
the IPS is sadly lacking there, I certainly don't rate the wrong colours being displayed as being very accurate.
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece;12841258 
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/benqbl2400pt-efter-2.jpg
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/necea232wmi-efter-2.jpg

note how the VA panel is almost perfectly inline with sRGB colour gamut.
and the IPS? well its too green too yellow and not blue enough compared to sRGB
to me it looks pretty much like the VA wins due to the fact IT ACTUALLY COVERS THE COLOUR GAMUT PROPERLY!
the IPS is sadly lacking there, I certainly don't rate the wrong colours being displayed as being very accurate.

Quick question. Those pics before/after calibration?
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Both after, (it does say so in the file name)
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post #14 of 23
It's important to keep in mind that the ML239h uses the same panel as the U2311h, and the IPS236v from LG too. The difference is that the Asus and the LG uses an LED backlight, which can actually hurt color reproduction from what I've heard. If you're going 23" IPS, the good old U2311h is probably still your best bet. (and yes, they're all 6-bit. To go 8-bit, you've got to go 24" or higher, which means >$400)
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece;12840339 
hm let's see.
from panel specs 8bit vs 6 bit
from the panel specs 3000:1 vs 1000:1 VA wins
from reviews of monitors using the same panels 2995:1 vs 933:1 VA wins

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_ew2420.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_ea232wmi.htm

it seems to me that you are the one who has no clue what they are talking about, next you'll be trying to say you've got a 8bit monitor!
now kindly get a clue or cease posting.

you really are a moron. Panel specs mean NOTHING. It's all marketing.

And you keep referencing these two monitors, BFD. Just because one VA panel is better than one IPS panel, DOES NOT MEAN that all VA panels are inherently better than all IPS panels.

It is simply a known fact, that in general, IPS panels are the best.
post #16 of 23
Have u asus ML 2x9H ?
tell me more about this please !
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by xXTruth;13034502 
you really are a moron. Panel specs mean NOTHING. It's all marketing.

And you keep referencing these two monitors, BFD. Just because one VA panel is better than one IPS panel, DOES NOT MEAN that all VA panels are inherently better than all IPS panels.

It is simply a known fact, that in general, IPS panels are the best.

Those two monitors i keep referencing use the same panels as the two monitors this thread is about.
the topic of this thread IS THOSE TWO PANELS.
I have provided comparisons of those panels.
Exactly how am I in any way saying VA > IPS?
I'm simply stating Panel A> Panel B for Task A

and i fail to see how the freaking bit-per-colour spec is marketing, heck its probably the only 100% certain thing (other than the size) from the specs.
those contrast ratios are backed up from hardware calibration results for reach panel.

yeah exactly how did that mean nothing again?
now man up and use your real account if you're going to troll or just stop posting.
Edited by kyle-reece - 4/8/11 at 1:28pm
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post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece;12824589 
The VA is 8bit the IPS is 6bit.
the VA has better contrast (3X the IPS)
the IPS has problems with purple glow at angles (so from dead on if sitting too close the sides are purple)
the VA panel (i believe) is the same as the BenQ EW2420 and BL2400PT, and had quality control issues with regards to blue tinting along the corners and a lot of variation between models from BenQ, whether that is the fault of BenQ or AU optronics (panel maker or monitor maker) i do not know, but if it was AUOs fault then the same things are a problem here. if you get a good panel though its one of the best low-end LCD panels ever released (and rivals some top end panels!)

-6bit is kind of expected for a budget IPS, doubt too many users shopping in this price range can tell the difference.
-The contrast is 3 times higher do doubt thanks mostly to the awesome black depth.
-The review mentions a "slight dark purple hue" with a dark screen and wide viewing angles. But viewing angles on the MVA panel are a lot worse with contrast shifting at angles greater than 40 degrees. Not surprising since this is one of IPS's strong points.

Of course these all may not be applicable to the Asus monitors. We are assuming that the same panels are being used.
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http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/benqbl2400pt-efter-2.jpg
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures/necea232wmi-efter-2.jpg

note how the VA panel is almost perfectly inline with sRGB colour gamut.
and the IPS? well its too green too yellow and not blue enough compared to sRGB
to me it looks pretty much like the VA wins due to the fact IT ACTUALLY COVERS THE COLOUR GAMUT PROPERLY!
the IPS is sadly lacking there, I certainly don't rate the wrong colours being displayed as being very accurate.

Actually the TFTcentral review shows the opposite. The dEs on the BenQ are larger. It makes me wonder why you decided to use a different source...

The BenQ panel has a slower response time and noticeably more motion blur. For gamers this isn't a trait that is well recieved. Either panel has their advantages and disadvantages depending on what are the person's personal preferences are. Looking at the price range it's more apparent these monitors are marketed towards media consumers rather than photographers.
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post #19 of 23
I am also looking to upgrade from a NT monitor and wanted to skip IPS to some ting with better contrast but these VA/MVA screens do not yet have go enough overdrive for games, for most people anyway. And I am not sure it will be possible, as they are so slow.
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post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece;12841329 
Both after, (it does say so in the file name)

What values did you put into the various settings to calibrate this monitor? So far I'm having a hard time getting this monitor as well calibrated as my prior LCD monitor.
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