Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › [GM]Microsoft shows off future graphic tech for Xbox 360
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[GM]Microsoft shows off future graphic tech for Xbox 360 - Page 6

post #51 of 108
Epic LanBox
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600 ASrock H61 M-ITX GTX 560 TI Zotac Amp G.Skill Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Scorpio Black Win7 Pro x64 Silverstone SFX 450 Silverstone SG05 
  hide details  
Reply
Epic LanBox
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600 ASrock H61 M-ITX GTX 560 TI Zotac Amp G.Skill Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Scorpio Black Win7 Pro x64 Silverstone SFX 450 Silverstone SG05 
  hide details  
Reply
post #52 of 108
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bojinglebells View Post
by the 360's release we could have built a 3.2GHz Athlon FX-60, with 2-4GB of DDR, and a 512MB Radeon X1800XT or 512MB GeForce 7800GTX

we could also double up on the CPU or GPU

pretty sure hardware like that with games specifically developed and optimized for it for half a decade or more could do just as good if not significantly better
You clearly missed this article then...

http://www.overclock.net/video-game-...l-directx.html

Quote:
It's funny,' says AMD's worldwide developer relations manager of its GPU division, Richard Huddy. 'We often have at least ten times as much horsepower as an Xbox 360 or a PS3 in a high-end graphics card, yet it's very clear that the games don't look ten times as good. To a significant extent, that's because, one way or another, for good reasons and bad - mostly good, DirectX is getting in the way.' Huddy says that one of the most common requests he gets from game developers is: 'Make the API go away.'

...
On consoles, you can draw maybe 10,000 or 20,000 chunks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30-60fps. On a PC, you can't typically draw more than 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quite surprising - the PC can actually show you only a tenth of the performance if you need a separate batch for each draw call.


post #53 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by bojinglebells View Post
by the 360's release we could have built a 3.2GHz Athlon FX-60, with 2-4GB of DDR, and a 512MB Radeon X1800XT or 512MB GeForce 7800GTX

we could also double up on the CPU or GPU

pretty sure hardware like that with games specifically developed and optimized for it for half a decade or more could do just as good if not significantly better
Except the multi-core processors in home consoles are comparable to desktop multi-core processors for gaming.(Why do you think GTA4, a console port, runs so poorly on dual- and low-end quads?) Games optimized to take advantage of multiple cores have been a staple on consoles since 2005. PC games are just now catching up in that regard.

Not to mention, the minimum system requirements of the latest games are far ahead of the specs you described so you have to compensate for the overhead that gaming on PC has and that means you aren't using hardware that is comparable to consoles.

Furthermore, you're comparing an R500-series GPU to the 360's R600-GPU which is literally a generation ahead. You're comparing something with only 16 pixel piplines and 16 vertex pipelines that are dedicated; Newsflash, the Xenos inside the Xbox has 48 unified and fully programmable shaders. With the optimization found in the console space, we're looking at 2-4 times what an x1800 is capable of.
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
post #54 of 108
By the time this comes out, like DX11, we'll have DX 13 or something.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K [Asus] P8P67 Pro [EVGA] 1050 Ti [Crucial] Ballistix Tactical 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
[Crucial] M4 128gb [WD] Cavier Black [Noctua] NH-D14 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[Asus] VG236 23 inch 120 Hz [HP]w2007 (Offset) [Logitech] G15 [Corsair] HX 750 
CaseMouseAudio
[Silverstone] RV02 [Logitech] G5 [Superlux] HD668B 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K [Asus] P8P67 Pro [EVGA] 1050 Ti [Crucial] Ballistix Tactical 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
[Crucial] M4 128gb [WD] Cavier Black [Noctua] NH-D14 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[Asus] VG236 23 inch 120 Hz [HP]w2007 (Offset) [Logitech] G15 [Corsair] HX 750 
CaseMouseAudio
[Silverstone] RV02 [Logitech] G5 [Superlux] HD668B 
  hide details  
Reply
post #55 of 108
Is it just me? Or does it look pants?
Splash of blue
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 4690k Asus Maximus VII Hero Titan X 16GB Kingston HyperX Blue 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial BX100 1TB Prolimatech Megahalems Blue Windows 8.1 FTW Edition Asus PG348Q 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X Series 650w Silverstone FT05 Roccat Kone Pure Steelseries S&S 
Audio
Microlab Solo 9C 
  hide details  
Reply
Splash of blue
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5 4690k Asus Maximus VII Hero Titan X 16GB Kingston HyperX Blue 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial BX100 1TB Prolimatech Megahalems Blue Windows 8.1 FTW Edition Asus PG348Q 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X Series 650w Silverstone FT05 Roccat Kone Pure Steelseries S&S 
Audio
Microlab Solo 9C 
  hide details  
Reply
post #56 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadarocker View Post
By the time this comes out, like DX11, we'll have DX 13 or something.
So what? All you hear from graphics card aficionados is that DX11/DX10 makes no difference...

Go look at the Crysis 2 thread in the PC gaming sub-forums and you'll see a throng of posters claiming this.

Oh, it only becomes important in light of consoles but when debated about through the ranks of your fellow PC fan boys its insignificant.
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
post #57 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spykerv View Post
Mother of.. It looks better than some pc games o_o. DAMN YOU CONSOLES. hopefully this means pc gamers get better games
More like just even more console ports while MS continues to ditch PC gamers.
Moar cores!
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 8320 @ 4.0Ghz/4.2Ghz turbo gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 rev. 4.0 Gigabyte Nvida GTX 770OC 2GB/ Gigabyte 970 G1 G... Gskill Sniper 1866Mhz 8GB (4GB x 2) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB WD Black 1TB Asus 24X CM Hyper 212Evo 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Home X64 HP 22BW 21.5" LED-IPS CM Storm Trigger/MX Brown Corsair TX 650V2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM HAF922 Logitech G500S Steelseries QCK Mini Asus Xonar DX 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
Moar cores!
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 8320 @ 4.0Ghz/4.2Ghz turbo gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 rev. 4.0 Gigabyte Nvida GTX 770OC 2GB/ Gigabyte 970 G1 G... Gskill Sniper 1866Mhz 8GB (4GB x 2) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB WD Black 1TB Asus 24X CM Hyper 212Evo 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Home X64 HP 22BW 21.5" LED-IPS CM Storm Trigger/MX Brown Corsair TX 650V2 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM HAF922 Logitech G500S Steelseries QCK Mini Asus Xonar DX 7.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #58 of 108
Love This Beast
(14 items)
 
PS4
(14 items)
 
HTPC
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 3.8Ghz Gigabyte EX58-UD4P Asus 1060 6GB OC 2138core/8606memory 12Gb Fury HyperX 1447mhz 1.64v 9-9-9 28 2T 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Black 640Gb + Seagate 500Gb + Hitachi 2.5" 5... LG DVD-RW SATA Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Home  
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Asus VW266H 25.5" 1200p Corsair 750W CoolerMaster Cm690 II Advanced (Version 2) Logitech MX518 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
8 Jaguar Core 1.6Ghz CUH-10XXA AMD 7870 (2 CU's disabled) 800Mhz  8Gigs GDDR5 2.75Ghz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba 500Gigs  Blu-ray 6x 85mm Fan. Sony PS4 OS 
MonitorKeyboardPowerAudio
Sony 40R350 B Sony DualShock 4 250W Polk Audio Rti A3's 
AudioAudio
Polk Audio PSW125 Yamaha Rv-371 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 2.4Ghz Dell 0RF703 Zotac GT640 4G DDR2 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
320Gb Western Digital Caviar Green + 160Gb Hita... Dell Performance Edition Heatsink J9761 W10 64Bits Pro Sony 40R350 B 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Lenovo Keyboard 460w oem Dell Optiplex 745 Logitech  
  hide details  
Reply
Love This Beast
(14 items)
 
PS4
(14 items)
 
HTPC
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 3.8Ghz Gigabyte EX58-UD4P Asus 1060 6GB OC 2138core/8606memory 12Gb Fury HyperX 1447mhz 1.64v 9-9-9 28 2T 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Black 640Gb + Seagate 500Gb + Hitachi 2.5" 5... LG DVD-RW SATA Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Home  
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Asus VW266H 25.5" 1200p Corsair 750W CoolerMaster Cm690 II Advanced (Version 2) Logitech MX518 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
8 Jaguar Core 1.6Ghz CUH-10XXA AMD 7870 (2 CU's disabled) 800Mhz  8Gigs GDDR5 2.75Ghz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba 500Gigs  Blu-ray 6x 85mm Fan. Sony PS4 OS 
MonitorKeyboardPowerAudio
Sony 40R350 B Sony DualShock 4 250W Polk Audio Rti A3's 
AudioAudio
Polk Audio PSW125 Yamaha Rv-371 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 2.4Ghz Dell 0RF703 Zotac GT640 4G DDR2 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
320Gb Western Digital Caviar Green + 160Gb Hita... Dell Performance Edition Heatsink J9761 W10 64Bits Pro Sony 40R350 B 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Lenovo Keyboard 460w oem Dell Optiplex 745 Logitech  
  hide details  
Reply
post #59 of 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by bojinglebells View Post
by the 360's release we could have built a 3.2GHz Athlon FX-60, with 2-4GB of DDR, and a 512MB Radeon X1800XT or 512MB GeForce 7800GTX

we could also double up on the CPU or GPU

pretty sure hardware like that with games specifically developed and optimized for it for half a decade or more could do just as good if not significantly better
Ok, now do it with a 6-year old PC that cost only $400 at the time.
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
post #60 of 108
Why do I get the impression that those screenshots just happen to be the same size as an Xbox would be rendering them at before up-scaling to HD?
Unicorn
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 C0 @ 4.2 GHz (finally!) Asus P6T Deluxe V1 eVGA GTX460 1GB 6 GB Patriot 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
60 GB Vertex 2, 1 TB HDD, 2x 500 MB non-RAID HDD LG Blu-ray Reader Windows 7 / XP Pro Samsung 2443 
PowerCase
850 Watt Antec Modded CM 690 
  hide details  
Reply
Unicorn
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 C0 @ 4.2 GHz (finally!) Asus P6T Deluxe V1 eVGA GTX460 1GB 6 GB Patriot 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
60 GB Vertex 2, 1 TB HDD, 2x 500 MB non-RAID HDD LG Blu-ray Reader Windows 7 / XP Pro Samsung 2443 
PowerCase
850 Watt Antec Modded CM 690 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Video Game News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › [GM]Microsoft shows off future graphic tech for Xbox 360