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Hi people.
I'm new here and i shure need help.
I recently changed my MB because i upgraded the VGA and i needed a 2.0 PCI express x16 one.
I'm using:
Asrock P45DE MB, C2D E6600 CPU (Cooler Master Hyper 212 cooler),
4 x 1024MB DDR II Geil Ultra CL4 RAM,
Gigabyte 560 TI SOC VGA,
250GB HDD s-ata2 WD caviar blue,
Cooler Master GX 750W PSU,
IBM Xseries100 Server case.
On my previous MB Asus P5NE SLI, 650i SLI chipset, i had a full stable OC at 400*8 (3200Mhz) with 1.4v (pencilmode done, 0 vdrop) vcore and 1.91v ram (ram at 4-4-4-12-38-6-3-3-3 800Mhz)
But now, on the Asrock P45DE, i got problems:
- oc is not stable with 400*8 not eaven at 1.425-1.450
- upped the v on ram at 2.02, didn't helped
- the MB is not detecting my ram as cl4, but as cl5 frown.gif with 5-5-5-18-42-6-3-3-3
- the vdrop on this MB seems to be huge 0.05-0.07
I'm at my first Intel chipset(only had nvidia chipsets untill now).
All the voltages on the NB SB are set on auto cause i don't wanna do anything wrong. Should i increase any of them if the mobo is suposed to be a fsb 1600 default? Or do i still need to increase the voltages?
Anyone knowes any voltmods for this Asrock MB ?
For now i'm runing at 400*8 @3200Mhz with RAM at 5-5-5-18-42-6-3-3-3 with 2.02v RAM and 1.425v CPU it works OK but not 100% stable on IntelBurntest 2.5 frown.gif

PLS help me out here
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by cristih;12803452 
Hi people.
I'm new here and i shure need help.
I recently changed my MB because i upgraded the VGA and i needed a 2.0 PCI express x16 one.
I'm using:
Asrock P45DE MB, C2D E6600 CPU (Cooler Master Hyper 212 cooler),
4 x 1024MB DDR II Geil Ultra CL4 RAM,
Gigabyte 560 TI SOC VGA,
250GB HDD s-ata2 WD caviar blue,
Cooler Master GX 750W PSU,
IBM Xseries100 Server case.
On my previous MB Asus P5NE SLI, 650i SLI chipset, i had a full stable OC at 400*8 (3200Mhz) with 1.4v (pencilmode done, 0 vdrop) vcore and 1.91v ram (ram at 4-4-4-12-38-6-3-3-3 800Mhz)
But now, on the Asrock P45DE, i got problems:
- oc is not stable with 400*8 not eaven at 1.425-1.450
- upped the v on ram at 2.02, didn't helped
- the MB is not detecting my ram as cl4, but as cl5 frown.gif with 5-5-5-18-42-6-3-3-3
- the vdrop on this MB seems to be huge 0.05-0.07
I'm at my first Intel chipset(only had nvidia chipsets untill now).
All the voltages on the NB SB are set on auto cause i don't wanna do anything wrong. Should i increase any of them if the mobo is suposed to be a fsb 1600 default? Or do i still need to increase the voltages?
Anyone knowes any voltmods for this Asrock MB ?
For now i'm runing at 400*8 @3200Mhz with RAM at 5-5-5-18-42-6-3-3-3 with 2.02v RAM and 1.425v CPU it works OK but not 100% stable on IntelBurntest 2.5 frown.gif

PLS help me out here

Look for a setting called Performance Level. It may have another name. On Intel motherboards this is a very important setting for stability and performance. For 400FSB 1:1 FSB:RAM you should try a value of 10. Do not leave it at Auto. Also, If you find a setting called CPC or Command Rate, make sure it is at 2T.

Also set you RAM timings manually. You compensate for the V-drop by increasing V-core further.
    
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It's odd.
On the asrock web page at p45de the bios version is 1.6,... my mb comes with 1.7 lol
i know about 2t comand rate but i didn't found it anywere on the bios
the everest program shows me command rate 2t so i think it's something automatic in the bios
i'm still looking for the "performance level" option
if i set the ram manualy with timings smaller than 5-5-5-18-42-6-3-3-3 i get blue screen and if i set it 4-4-4-12 with other options on auto it gets me 56(sommetimes 62)-9-6-6-6 that 56 seems so damn much. how much is that in terms of performance?
the vdrop it's compenasated by seting it at 1.425 because i know it only needs 1.34 to be stable(tested on the asus mobo)
any idea if i need to up the NB SB voltages? could that help?
Edited by cristih - 3/20/11 at 3:33pm
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by cristih;12805096 
It's odd.
On the asrock web page at p45de the bios version is 1.6,... my mb comes with 1.7 lol
i know about 2t comand rate but i didn't found it anywere on the bios
the everest program shows me command rate 2t si i think it's something automatic in the bios
i'm still looking for the performance level option
if i set the ram manualy with timings smaller than 5-5-5-18-42-6-3-3-3 i get blue screen
the vdrop it's compenasated by seting it at 1.425 because i know it only needs 1.34 to be stable(tested on the asus mobo)
any idea if i need to up the NB SB voltages? could that help?

It is not uncommon that boards comes with bioses that you cannot download. Have experienced this myself.

Try to up NB volts up to 1.3v.
    
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damn, upping the nb didn't helped
and i'm shure i don't have any comand rate option as well as no performance level option frown.gif
i was begining to think i maybe have a bad MB but with default bios setings i pass each and evry test si it must be another thing i'm doing wrong
i'm begining to think i should speed up the CPU upgrade savings( thinking about q9550(350$)/9650(500$) since q8400 sux vs e8400 for gaming)
on the asus mobo i can easy reach 400*9 at 1.45v, but on this one i don't seem to find the good settings combo not even for 400*9
and my 560 ti bottleneks alot with stock CPU settings frown.gif OCing the CPU to 3200 doubled my FPS in most of the games so it's obvious i need it OCed frown.gif
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Originally Posted by cristih;12813815 
damn, upping the nb didn't helped
and i'm shure i don't have any comand rate option as well as no performance level option frown.gif
i was begining to think i maybe have a bad MB but with default bios setings i pass each and evry test si it must be another thing i'm doing wrong
i'm begining to think i should speed up the CPU upgrade savings( thinking about q9550(350$)/9650(500$) since q8400 sux vs e8400 for gaming)
on the asus mobo i can easy reach 400*9 at 1.45v, but on this one i don't seem to find the good settings combo not even for 400*9
and my 560 ti bottleneks alot with stock CPU settings frown.gif OCing the CPU to 3200 doubled my FPS in most of the games so it's obvious i need it OCed frown.gif

Think I've found the performance Level setting for your board smile.gif It's name is tRD. Look at this picture. DRAM CH0 and 1 tRD. Try to put them both at 10 smile.gif The two furthest down on the picture. And if they are at 7 when Auto they are the ones stopping you at 400FSB + wink.gif They need to be at 10 when RAM:FSB = 1:1. Lowest is 8 at 400FSB, when RAM:FSB are not 1:1. So these are the ones hindering you. As I've said, put both at 10 and you'll see

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Edited by turrican9 - 3/21/11 at 11:11am
    
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post #8 of 18
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Hi man,
Meaning turican9
I was very very busy, today at work, so i didn't had time to check the forum.
Well i saw that part of the bios, the one that you posted here, many times. But I avoided it each and every time. why? because i have no idea what all those things mean, so i was afraid to screw things up.
i saw there ch0 and ch1 for rcomp odt , what are those options? can you explain it to me? PLS
i also saw ch0 and ch1 trd, I also don't know what those mean frown.gif
i use 4 ddr dimms, are those like the A or B RAM channels, or i'm just BSing myself?


PS: TY alot for all the helpful sugestions and tips. TY for the PM too.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by cristih;12826393 
Hi man,
Meaning turican9
I was very very busy, today at work, so i didn't had time to check the forum.
Well i saw that part of the bios, the one that you posted here, many times. But I avoided it each and every time. why? because i have no idea what all those things mean, so i was afraid to screw things up.
i saw there ch0 and ch1 for rcomp odt , what are those options? can you explain it to me? PLS
i also saw ch0 and ch1 trd, I also don't know what those mean frown.gif
i use 4 ddr dimms, are those like the A or B RAM channels, or i'm just BSing myself?


PS: TY alot for all the helpful sugestions and tips. TY for the PM too.

DRAM CH0 tRD and CH01 tRD are the Performance Level on your motherboard! As I've said In my last post, you need to put them both at a Value of 10 to be able to overclock! They are the ones stopping you ! smile.gif
    
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Originally Posted by turrican9;12826502 
DRAM CH0 tRD and CH01 tRD are the Performance Level on your motherboard! As I've said In my last post, you need to put them both at a Value of 10 to be able to overclock! They are the ones stopping you ! smile.gif

I'll try that as soon i'll get home,... hope it's gonna be sooner wink.gif
I'll be reporting the results,... hoping it's gonna be a good one.
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