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Some people actually believe that.
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Hey man, you just gotta have faith
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Has anyone here at OC actually had success starting a fire without any modern day device/material? I can't imagine how difficult it's got to be.
400k+ to a 1 million years ago, they had no concept of how to start a fire...of course they probably knew what fire was...they probably seen a lightning strike in a forest (as forest back then were every where...).

basically ask a 8 year old to start a fire...without using a lighter, matches...only using things he can find in a natural world...doubt they can do it with any level of success...

don't confuse our understanding of the knowledge with the ease of acquiring that knowledge...or better yet to understand the concept, go to one of the mountain native tribes in south america that haven't seen hardly any of the modern world, give them a laptop and ask them to send a email...
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I forget exactly how they did it, but in the Werner Hertzog film "Little Dieter Must Fly", they started a fire with just wood and kindling, as far as I remember. Awesome movie btw, worth checking out.
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fire by friction isn't easy because it takes a long time, but its not exactly hard when you have a whole life devoted to mastering it

Tom Hanks in Cast Away is a pretty good depiction of that. Dude knows next to nothing about survival but with the help of some basic tools he survives long enough to master how to survive with tools and skills he is able to learn by himself. And its believable because of the proposed time scale (ie several years).

And of course the scene where he attempts to make fire is brilliantly done as well as it takes him forever to get anywhere and he just about destroys his hands in the process with all the friction from the sticks, but you do what it takes or you die.
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it would probably of sucked bad to be born or alive way back then.
forget fire......but no internet, porn, games, beer, nothing to overclock
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it would probably of sucked bad to be born or alive way back then.
forget fire......but no internet, porn, games, beer, nothing to overclock
However, people surfed the world by walking where ever they wanted to check things out, there was real porn, reality games based on giant beasts chasing people around, blood, and mastodon wrestling. Overclocking was not needed, it was all analog in those days, and no expensive upgrades until Caveman Gates started charging for prior inventions. Of course, Caveman Jobs would be selling the smallest and lightest clubs possible, for that "cool look". Tribes whould shove Caveman Kotick off of the nearest cliff, just for amusements...
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Let me guess, he used his piss.
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Some people actually believe that.
Please be considerate, some of us, including me, do believe in a young earth creation. I wish I could go in debate here, but its against TOS.
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Please be considerate, some of us, including me, do believe in a young earth creation. I wish I could go in debate here, but its against TOS.
You aren't alone.
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Making a fire with dead leaves and wood on wood action ftw. Takes forever though...
Dried out pine needles and dried out sap are like natures gasoline. Try it some time. *I'm not responsible if you burn yourself *

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fire by friction isn't easy because it takes a long time, but its not exactly hard when you have a whole life devoted to mastering it

Tom Hanks in Cast Away is a pretty good depiction of that. Dude knows next to nothing about survival but with the help of some basic tools he survives long enough to master how to survive with tools and skills he is able to learn by himself. And its believable because of the proposed time scale (ie several years).

And of course the scene where he attempts to make fire is brilliantly done as well as it takes him forever to get anywhere and he just about destroys his hands in the process with all the friction from the sticks, but you do what it takes or you die.
Tom Hanks did it wrong if I remember right and that's why he messed hp his hands. You make a bowl in a chunk of wood to hold on the top of the spinning rod you use a bow on. It protects your hand while stabilizing everything. Coconut shells would probably have worked well to start a fire when dried out. That stuff is pretty flammable I believe. Not the oil from the meat though so you have to make sure all of that is gone.
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