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Let me tell you that the hardest part of making the bow for someone who's not used to it is finding a material that will substitute string.

Anyone else do anything similar? We figured it'd be a good way to spend an hour in scouts when we were supposed to be teaching others how to start a fire.

In the videos above, I think it's a different method. It doesn't look like they're using string... Is this a different method you're using? Could you post a video from youtube or some such, if so?
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In the videos above, I think it's a different method. It doesn't look like they're using string... Is this a different method you're using? Could you post a video from youtube or some such, if so?
I'll see what I can find. It was a while back, and in typical "I do it my way!" fashion, beyond the basic premise, we did how we thought it was supposed to work, so it may have been a bit different from this... However:



Much less effort required. That is, of course, when you start holding the bow and stop holding the string...


We did it quite wrong for a while, but eventually we got there!
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i honestly think that humans learned to master fire early into our history. if you think about this, when humans first discovered fire (probably through lightning hitting a tree), we probably figured out that wood can catch fire. it probably intrigued our early ancestors enough to do some trial and error to figure out exactly how it was done. I mean cmon, if a monkey can figure out how to create and use tools, I'm sure humans with triple the brainpower can figure out a fire.
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We did it quite wrong for a while, but eventually we got there!
Ok... I understand. I have actually seen that before, just has been awhile. Thanks.

I wonder if something natural could be substituted for the string... Like animal guts, vine, or tree bark....

I think this should be required basic middle school education for everyone. At least the males of our species.
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Making string is easy, any fibrous plant can be broken down and spun/woven into string.

But using a bow is a much more advanced method of fire lighting than the ones being described with two sticks.

BTW, just saying someone saw some lightning strike a tree and it caught fire, so they did some experiments, has to be a massive over simplification of it. Besides, i doubt it even happened that way, man would've been too afraid of lightning to be outside observing what happens, he be running for his life because the gods are angry!

More likely they observed natural savana fires, and found that even when the fire was out the remaining embers were still hot enough to reignite dry grass (whatever), it's still a massive leap to get to friction causes fire. All this is dependent on fire originating in Africa as well, where it's hot enough to start fire easily, and indeed natural fires occur, this is what the article is about, you don't get natural fires in (at least Northern) Europe, it's too damp and cold even in summer.

So how did they make the quantum leap of observing fire, to friction causes fire? You need something in between to bridge that gap.
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That could be construed as borderline rascist, you're suggesting that societies which are still or until the very recent past were hunter gatherer's, which was much of Sub Saharan Africa, Tropical climates throughout the world and Australasia were basically a sub-human species because they hadn't evolved farming.

Oh yeah... I forgot you had much of North America that was inhabited by people who didn't farm too.
i'm sorry that there is a decisive line drawn between homo sapiens and homo sapiens sapiens...anything in the last 100k years is considered homo sapiens sapiens...so your "sub saharan africa, tropical climates, australasia, and north american natives..." are all considered to be homo sapiens sapiens, which had formed language and villages, and they did farm, we just don't see that in the movies very often...its much more interesting to show droves of nomadic, stone tool using primitive cultures...it makes us "westerner worlders" mainly from europe feel we were the beacon of light to the world...
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*sigh* I don't think so.... seeing as I have done my research. In order to know truth, you must pursue it.
With the ease of access to information these days, Im dissapointed, because if you even begin to pursue the authentisity of religion its quite easy to see the whole things a bad misconception of a record of our ancient history, twisted by the church in order to maintain power over the uneducated masses who so badly seek an answer to everything.

The answers are being discovered and you would be wise to listen.

Its the same in every religion. Do you still believe the earth is flat? Its not you know, and your link has been wrote by someone with alot of claims, wheres his references of scientific journal works hes quoted as evidence for the daft claims? The writer seems to use some science in whatever verbal diorrhia he has wrote, so surely he can accept that science has also prooved that the earth has been here for many billions of years. C`mon man your not 5yrears old in primary school anymore.

Im sorry if your offended but surely you can understand my stance on the matter, im just trying to help. Its nasty to see people soo brainwashed
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i would too, because you'd lose the debate. but like you said, can't. damn TOS.
There is nothing in the TOS against talking about science. Go ahead and make your point.

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*sigh* I don't think so.... seeing as I have done my research. In order to know truth, you must pursue it.
I have no idea what publications you read that lead you to believe that, but none of them were scientific if they were published since Lyell.
Edited by kaxel - 3/22/11 at 2:42pm
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I used to pack dryer lint on hiking trips. Now that is one heck of a good tinder. (On a side note, Remember to clean your lint trap frequently!)
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With the ease of access to information these days, Im dissapointed, because if you even begin to pursue the authentisity of religion its quite easy to see the whole things a bad misconception of a record of our ancient history, twisted by the church in order to maintain power over the uneducated masses who so badly seek an answer to everything.

The answers are being discovered and you would be wise to listen.

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Im sorry if your offended but surely you can understand my stance on the matter, im just trying to help. Its nasty to see people soo brainwashed
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There is nothing in the TOS against talking about science. Go ahead and make your point.

Well, I don't feel like getting into another argument, I am already in another one one two different forums. There really isn't anyway to discuss this in its entirety without bringing religion into. To keep flaming down, if you really really want to know please PM me.



I have no idea what publications you read that lead you to believe that, but none of them were scientific if they were published since Lyell.
Well, I don't feel like getting into another argument, I am already in another one one two different forums. There really isn't anyway to discuss this in its entirety without bringing religion into. To keep flaming down, if you really really want to know please PM me.
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