Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [MR] 2011 MacBook Pros Crashing Under Load
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[MR] 2011 MacBook Pros Crashing Under Load - Page 16

post #151 of 161
This doesn't effect the 13" model, it only has one gpu but the 15" and 17" are affected. Dual gpu setup(HD3000 and AMD 6xxx) its has to do with the poor power management system :\\
Dying Doctor
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 875K EVGA P55 FTW 200 EVGA GTX 470 Mushkin Blackline Ridgebacks 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
Kingston ssdNOW 64GB | Western Digital VR 150 +TB Windows 7 Ultimate Logitech G15 Mushkin 650w AP 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master Haf 932 CM Storm Inferno Razer Vespula 
  hide details  
Reply
Dying Doctor
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 875K EVGA P55 FTW 200 EVGA GTX 470 Mushkin Blackline Ridgebacks 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
Kingston ssdNOW 64GB | Western Digital VR 150 +TB Windows 7 Ultimate Logitech G15 Mushkin 650w AP 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master Haf 932 CM Storm Inferno Razer Vespula 
  hide details  
Reply
post #152 of 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
lol ok. Your ONE guy vs everyone elses MBP that has been fixed. I already had 100% fans with smcfancontrol and was still able to reproduce the crash prior to the update. Obviously heat wasn't the issue and since none of my clocks or voltages have changed after the update you're going to have to try again.
Apparently you know more than Apple's own devs who posted release notes along with the update that you have failed to read yet continue to keep embarrassing yourself by posting more.
How do you know this for sure? What model do you have (13", 15" or 17")?

Perhaps different models are not affected by the same issues. If it was driver issues, it is Apple's fault. They are in charge of QA and the Mac ecosystem. Perhaps Apple's "BIOS" had issues with the video hardware switching into discrete mode.

The "release notes" do not state what was the offending component(s). We still need more information to determine if it was fixed for the majority of users affected.

Many new Apple users like to sweep problems under the rug like it never existed. New Apple users are the biggest offenders of blind fanboyism because they don't want to second guess "making the switch."
Edited by Riou - 3/23/11 at 2:47am
post #153 of 161
I read in one of the links in the past 16 pages that the problem was found by (Ars?) to be that it was likely a driver related issue, since the crashes were occurring when switching from the integrated card to the dedicated. They said it was likely, not certain, but seeing as most games require you to switch from integrated to dedicated, I suppose it is a logical train of thought. I don't have a early 2011 MBP, I have a late 2010 MBP, and so I can't really give any insight or any proof so to speak, but if you just read all the articles in depth you'll probably find what you're looking for.

I agree, the MBP's should have a better cooling solution, but do a lot of MBP owners game on a laptop? Highly doubt it. Saying that a MBP owner only browses Facebook during lectures and uses Word in cafes is somewhat naive. They are just like any other end consumer. They can and will do what they want with what they buy. If they can afford it, and it fits their needs, then why not buy it?

We here at OCN do numerous things, and most of it involves getting the most performance out of whatever we own. Apple designs laptops for people who don't want to run Windows because *shockhorror*, it's not perfect. Neither is Mac, as seen by the recent debacles, but even so, they have enough for what people want from it. I have a MBP largely due to it's longevity. It feels to have a much more sturdy build then other laptops that I've had the opportunity to lay my hands on, so that's why I chose it over the others.

I sometimes feel as though that we, as PC gamers and PC users in general have excessively high standards. Although sometimes it is right to have these standards, it is not correct all the time.

Anyway, that was my somewhat large two cents.
Swifty <3
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500k ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z N570GTX Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC 8GB Corsair Vengeance  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate 1TB 32MB @ 7,200 RPM ASUS 12DR something Corsair H60 in Push/Pull with 2xAP15 Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung P2370H Das Model S Professional Corsair TX-650 Antec 902 with AP15's  
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Mamba SteelSeries QcK+ Logitech Z-323 
  hide details  
Reply
Swifty <3
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2500k ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z N570GTX Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC 8GB Corsair Vengeance  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate 1TB 32MB @ 7,200 RPM ASUS 12DR something Corsair H60 in Push/Pull with 2xAP15 Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung P2370H Das Model S Professional Corsair TX-650 Antec 902 with AP15's  
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Mamba SteelSeries QcK+ Logitech Z-323 
  hide details  
Reply
post #154 of 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riou View Post
How do you know this for sure? What model do you have (13", 15" or 17")?

Perhaps different models are not affected by the same issues. If it was driver issues, it is Apple's fault. They are in charge of QA and the Mac ecosystem. Perhaps Apple's "BIOS" had issues with the video hardware switching into discrete mode.

The "release notes" do not state what was the offending component(s). We still need more information to determine if it was fixed for the majority of users affected.

Many new Apple users like to sweep problems under the rug like it never existed. New Apple users are the biggest offenders of blind fanboyism because they don't want to second guess "making the switch."
How do I know? Because I own a 2011 15" with a discreet graphics card... I was able to crash it before the update and now I can't. Along with everyone else on the site linked to in the OP. You should read before posting.
post #155 of 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
How do I know? Because I own a 2011 15" with a discreet graphics card... I was able to crash it before the update and now I can't. Along with everyone else on the site linked to in the OP. You should read before posting.
The new OS X only fixed Thunderbolt problems with displays. Lying is fun!
post #156 of 161
My son told me about this. He said it was the i7s that were being recalled because of a heating issue.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 940 BE ASUS M3A32-MVP DELUXE Wifi Sapphire 5770x2 Crossfire 4 Gb. of G.Skill 5-5-5-15 1066 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD 60g OS. 500GB + 300 GB VelociRaptor 10000 rpm PLEXTOR PX-850SA Windows 7 Professional SAMSUNG 920 BW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Cyborg HX1000 Watt Corsair modular CM STACKER ENIGMA EDITION Microsoft SideWinder Gaming Mouse 
Mouse Pad
Black Leather with grey stitching 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 940 BE ASUS M3A32-MVP DELUXE Wifi Sapphire 5770x2 Crossfire 4 Gb. of G.Skill 5-5-5-15 1066 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD 60g OS. 500GB + 300 GB VelociRaptor 10000 rpm PLEXTOR PX-850SA Windows 7 Professional SAMSUNG 920 BW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Cyborg HX1000 Watt Corsair modular CM STACKER ENIGMA EDITION Microsoft SideWinder Gaming Mouse 
Mouse Pad
Black Leather with grey stitching 
  hide details  
Reply
post #157 of 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma8750 View Post
My son told me about this. He said it was the i7s that were being recalled because of a heating issue.
recalled? what?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FtL1776 View Post
The new OS X only fixed Thunderbolt problems with displays. Lying is fun!
Being ignorant is fun!

8 instances of yes > /dev/null/
with Portal using the discreet AMD GPU and this browser open.
No crashes for 20minutes and haven't seen one since the update in anything else.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 3/23/11 at 12:41pm
post #158 of 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbom View Post
So... it's just coincidence that the unofficial work around for this until its fixed by Apple is to use the IGP instead of the dedicated AMD GPU?
That means they don't have proper cooling for the GPU. Stuff a fairly high end card (6750M, good for a mainstream laptop) and you need a good heatsink/fan combo. And airflow is crucial in a laptop, it could be that too.
Ice Wings
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570K @ 4.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z77 Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Samsung Green MV-3V4G3D/US 8GB 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHZ 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 3 240GB  Samsung F4 HD204UI Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus RoG Swift PG278Q Ducky One (DKON1687) MX Reds w/ PBT keycaps. SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G303 Puretrak Talent  
  hide details  
Reply
Ice Wings
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3570K @ 4.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z77 Asus Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Samsung Green MV-3V4G3D/US 8GB 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHZ 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 3 240GB  Samsung F4 HD204UI Noctua NH-D14 Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus RoG Swift PG278Q Ducky One (DKON1687) MX Reds w/ PBT keycaps. SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseMouse Pad
Logitech G303 Puretrak Talent  
  hide details  
Reply
post #159 of 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Overlord View Post
That means they don't have proper cooling for the GPU. Stuff a fairly high end card (6750M, good for a mainstream laptop) and you need a good heatsink/fan combo. And airflow is crucial in a laptop, it could be that too.
I think I'll just leave this alone for now, I don't believe previous models (09/10) ever got too hot, I'll have to wait and see how this generation goes... they are mostly quads, after all. Anyway, I still believe the freezing issue was driver related.

Peace...
Edited by steelbom - 3/23/11 at 6:37pm
Kasuf
(9 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 6600K ASRock Z170 Pro4 ASUS Radeon RX 480 ROG Strix Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorPower
Samsung 850 EVO Noctua NH-D15 LG 34" Ultrawide (LG34UC98) Corsair HX750i 
Case
Silverstone FT05B-W 
  hide details  
Reply
Kasuf
(9 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 6600K ASRock Z170 Pro4 ASUS Radeon RX 480 ROG Strix Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3000MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorPower
Samsung 850 EVO Noctua NH-D15 LG 34" Ultrawide (LG34UC98) Corsair HX750i 
Case
Silverstone FT05B-W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #160 of 161
IMO the unibodies have the best laptop cooling solution out there. Where it sucks the air through the keyboard and exhausts it along the big hinge where the screen meets the body. This way I can use my MBP on my bed/sofa and not have to stick textbooks under (like my old high-end hp) it to prevent overheating.

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbom View Post
I think I'll just leave this alone for now, I don't believe previous models (09/10) ever got too hot, I'll have to wait and see how this generation goes... they are mostly quads, after all. Anyway, I still believe the freezing issue was driver related.

Peace...
I left this thread too. In the other people's minds, Apple already failed big time. No company is ever perfect in the initial months of releasing a product. Nvidia got it initially with the 480GTX (nevermind the crazy delays), ATi got it with the 5870, Intel got it with Sandy Bridge and AMD got it with the TLB cache bug. Just let them be and let them hate.
Green Lantern
(18 items)
 
 
The Router 3.0
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7 920 3.8GHz 1.25v HT Asus P6T XFX 5870 XFX 5780 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Kingston HyperX Intel X25-M 80GB G2 10Tb iSCSI Lite-On 1635S 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H50 Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Asus PA246 Logitech G15 v1 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair 1000HX Lian Li v1000+ Logitech G5 v1 Creative Audigy 2 ZS 
Other
Intel Pro/1000 PT Server Adapter 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
Intel Xeon L5335 Intel Xeon L5335 Intel 5000P ATI ES1000 
RAMHard DriveOSPower
Elpida ECC WD20NPVT SmartOS HP 350W + Hot Spare 
Case
HP Proliant 380 G5 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ nForce 3 250 2 GB 512MB CF To IDE 
OSCaseOtherOther
pfSense 2.0.1 x64 Shuttle XPC Intel PWLA8492MT PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Server A... Verizon FiOS 75/35Mbit 
  hide details  
Reply
Green Lantern
(18 items)
 
 
The Router 3.0
(14 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel i7 920 3.8GHz 1.25v HT Asus P6T XFX 5870 XFX 5780 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Kingston HyperX Intel X25-M 80GB G2 10Tb iSCSI Lite-On 1635S 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Corsair H50 Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Asus PA246 Logitech G15 v1 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair 1000HX Lian Li v1000+ Logitech G5 v1 Creative Audigy 2 ZS 
Other
Intel Pro/1000 PT Server Adapter 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
Intel Xeon L5335 Intel Xeon L5335 Intel 5000P ATI ES1000 
RAMHard DriveOSPower
Elpida ECC WD20NPVT SmartOS HP 350W + Hot Spare 
Case
HP Proliant 380 G5 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ nForce 3 250 2 GB 512MB CF To IDE 
OSCaseOtherOther
pfSense 2.0.1 x64 Shuttle XPC Intel PWLA8492MT PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Server A... Verizon FiOS 75/35Mbit 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [MR] 2011 MacBook Pros Crashing Under Load