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He may be a brilliant Geography and History professor, but a savvy political analyst he does not appear to be. The world is in no way going to abandon nuclear. China for instance has made huge tungsten reactor progress and I expect the rest of the world to follow suit. This disaster won't end the use of nuclear any more than the BP oil disaster ended the use of oil.

I recommend you check out the NY times, some very smart people have written extensively on the subject (none of them have suggested that this spells death for nuclear in the long term).
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Humans will only find a smarter way to use nuclear power, that is, until fusion power arrives.
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I imagine you just read MrDeodorant's thread about China's emerging Thorium reactor technology. Yes, Thorium is a promising technology, but it is not going to catch wind as well as you may think, at least in the US.

I'm a mechanical engineer having a brief but legitimate background in nuclear engineering. My dad was also a nuclear technician in the Navy; My friend is a nuclear engineer, and my roommate's father spent 40 years with the DoE nuclear department. If I have learned anything, it's that the American populus is terrified of nuclear energy. Nuclear engineering in the United States was virtually stagnant for 30 years SOLELY because of public perception. One of America's best solutions for storing spent nuclear fuel (Yucca Mountain) was derailed by Obama when he campaigned in Nevada for the presidency (and I'm an Obama supporter).

We're already seeing some of the consequences of the disaster in Germany, where they're closing down older nuclear power facilities (as they should). This is not an isolated incident, and like Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, this nuclear disaster will echo through history. Will the world abandon nuclear energy? Of course not. No one's arguing it will. However, convincing your neighbors that building a nuclear power plant 10 miles from their house is not going to be easy, especially if this situation gets worse (fortunately reports suggest the reactors are one by one reaching stability).

Nuclear energy as a viable replacement (in large % like France) for OIL in the next 50-70 years is not going to happen anymore. Sucks too because it's clean, green, lean, and mean.


As for referring me to the NY Times. The NY Times just a few days ago published an interactive forecast of a nuclear fallout from Japan as it heads to the US. This forecast has already been criticized beyond what I'm willing to recount in this post. If you're interested in reading it, look back in the Technology and Science News history for a closed thread.
Well chernobyl,three mile and fukushima are 3 VERY diferent incident if I remember wasn't three mile caused by a criticality. Chernobyl is a pure human error and a bad one at that they shouldn't have continued testing after the day shift went away .

And hell ! if a nuclear plant can withstand an 9.0 earthquake and a tsunami to be in bad shape I would accept living somewhat close to one. Here there's hydro Quebec gentilly-2 getting inspection because nearby towns are worrying about something happening . I think it's just misconception misinformation and fear nothing else. and there's enormous amount of space for storing radioactive wastes in the world.
    
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If Chernobyl didnt kill off nuclear power, nothing will.
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Exactly why do human beings go to such extents just to get things even if it means killing themselves? Are there any more nuclear fusion power plants?
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Exactly why do human beings go to such extents just to get things even if it means killing themselves? Are there any more nuclear fusion power plants?

Just checking back with this thread before bed and this post caught my eye.

I think you may be a tad confused my friend, we don't yet have the technology for fusion power plants. Currently fusion reactors require more energy input to sustain the reaction than they produce. Hopefully within a few decades that will change, but for now all we have is fission.

As for the first part of your post... while in a more general sense I think your question "Why do human beings go to such extents just to get things even if it means killing themselves?" is quite interesting (and I'm sure the subject of more than one dissertation) it doesn't really pertain to nuclear power.

Even with japan, nuclear power is by far the safest mass source of energy we currently have, end of story.
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Just checking back with this thread before bed and this post caught my eye.

I think you may be a tad confused my friend, we don't yet have the technology for fusion power plants. Currently fusion reactors require more energy input to sustain the reaction than they produce. Hopefully within a few decades that will change, but for now all we have is fission.
I've read that the ITER reactor will be done for testing in just one decade. It produces 10 times the energy it needs for operating, the first fusion reactor with higher output than input. Quite interesting actually.
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why would fossil fuels be the only alternative. other sources are rapidly advancing technologically. solar is actually the best source, once we hit 80% most people wont even need to be on the grid to have all their energy needs taken care of, even energy hogs.

they've talked about even setting up a solar farm in the sahara that could power all of europe.
Big Oil kills all of those quests. Simply put, people could be self sufficient with renewables like solar, wind and biomass, but it can not be taxed, and giant corporates can't reap massive profits for themselves. It wouldn't surprise me if Big Oil was so desperate for profits that they pay off the semiconductor companies, to ensure the consumer can not get power efficient processors, because 9 watts is a lot less profit for them than 125 watts.

The US public has been scared out of nuclear - an effective special interest campaign that has been put on by Big Oil and Big Coal for over forty years. More people have been killed by "conventional power" by far, like that explosion that destroyed a natural gas generating station in Connecticut - that killed way more people than even Chornobyl. In fact, NIMBYism from that mobilized a city near here into shoving out a power plant, meaning that the area that already had a heap of unsafe, poorly designed, bug ridden nuclear reactors is slated for even more of that junk. Not that I am opposed to nuclear, but in that instance, politicians and engineers should be jailed for that fraudulent fiasco and orgy of corruption.
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The threat of a nuclear holocaust is not an unjust one however safe and "over blown" these incidents maybe. If human error and corrupt lobbying contributes to the mass of fear then nuclear energy will never be "safe."

That said, we have all the "free energy" that we could hope for in wind and solar energy and the greatest part of it all is that there is no fallout if something goes wrong with the core technology like with Chernobyl in the 80s.

I'm for alternative fuel, just not nuclear.
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I'm not one to speculate things as unpredictable or as far down the road as this, but I did want to almost thank who's posted so far for having a model "argument" as opposed to the typical uneducated flame wars that often go on here.

I wish every thread I opened here was like this.
Seriously. Had to check the top of the page a few times to make sure I was still on OCN.




......but then I read a few of the posts above this.
Edited by R00ST3R - 3/22/11 at 6:51am
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If the rest of the world is stupid, I choose not to follow it. Just because of one incident in Japan it's freaking out the rest of the Western world.

China on the other hand is flipping the finger and states safe nuclear power exists. Someone isn't playing their cards right.
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