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Hey all - New to the Nvidia/AMD mini itx stuff so I have a few questions.

Basic plan is to build a mini-itx to serve me as a XBMC HTPC.

So far I have on my list the ASUS AT5IONT (clicky) + 4gb ram and a cheap 500gb samsung 2.5" sata disk for stuff (Emulators etc).

The ION can easily run SNES/MAME emulators right? Most of my HD stuff is in 720p, but I've heard that this setup should run 1080p?

Should I look into the AMD Hudson M1? (E350).

For the ASUS, what kind of PSU do I need? are the super tiny ones compatible? )clicky

On the ASUS, can I add a WIFI N card in the PCI slot?

Finally - regarding cases! I want a small but stylish, since the case will be visible. Something similar to thisone clicky.

Cheers!
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post #2 of 19
Hey mate, I don't know much about ITX cases, but it seems to me I've seen quite a few benched @ techreport.com & anandtech.com The thing with some ITX cases is they can be very well designed, or very bad (due to space constraints) so you should pay attention to what you buy. Also some cases have onboard PSUs, be that Pico-ITX like the one you linked or extremely small switching PSUs (up to 150-200W).

About the Ion vs AMD Hudson the breakdown is this: they are both excellent HTPC platforms in the sense that both are good enough; 1080p works fine on both. However AMD's E350 has superior single threaded performance and equal multi-threaded performance. Usually it's more important for a HTPC to have high single-thread performance as you'd probably not encode HD video on this kind of PC to take advantage of multi-threading. Dunno about emulators, but the AMD seems a better choice as it has more per-thread performance. AMD also has SATA III while having similar/better power consumption. My pick goes for the E350, but the Ion can also be acceptable (if the price is right).

You can put WiFi N in the PCIe slot. I got an USB WiFi adapter and for me it worked better as I could use a 2m USB cable to better position the antenna.
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post #3 of 19
the silverstone SUGO series are all itx case
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post #4 of 19
The ION doesn't make sense considering you can get Zacate for the same price or less. The only reason to still go for the ION is if you're using Linux and require VDPAU. Zacate has pretty much rendered the Atom obsolete.

From benchmarks, Zacate is roughly 20% faster than Atom but that's nothing if you look at the overall picture. It's still going to be much, much slower compared to regular desktop processors. It's like comparing integrated graphics. You can get 6 fps on one and 9 fps on another. Ultimately, though, you still wouldn't want to game on either.

Anything that you can do on Atom/ION, you can do on Zacate. However, things you can't accomplish on Atom/ION, I wouldn't count on being able to do with Zacate, either. The one thing that Zacate wins is price/performance+features. For around the same price as a basic Intel Atom/GMA 3150, Zacate gives you a better GPU and hardware acceleration. Alternately, Zacate and Atom/ION would give you roughly the same performance but Zacate costs less.
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post #5 of 19
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Cheers, E350 it is.

Now I just need a case, I want something aesthetically pleasing but it cannot cost too much or be too big..
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post #6 of 19
Agreed with above, Zacate. Just built one. You called it the Hudson for some reason...

As for power supply you want to find something like the NMedia 85w power brick I believe the picoPSU you listed still has no way to get to your wall socket....I could be wrong...My system uses 35w full load 23w idle.
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post #7 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowclock;12829042 
You called it the Hudson for some reason...
I think Hudson may be the name of the chipset...
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post #8 of 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowclock;12829042 
Agreed with above, Zacate. Just built one. You called it the Hudson for some reason...

As for power supply you want to find something like the NMedia 85w power brick I believe the picoPSU you listed still has no way to get to your wall socket....I could be wrong...My system uses 35w full load 23w idle.

I assume one would need a ac/dc adapter biggrin.gif
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post #9 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthb3;12829086 
I assume one would need a ac/dc adapter biggrin.gif

Ah, in that case just try and find the nMedia I linked as it comes with both for a good price biggrin.gif
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post #10 of 19
Sure would be cheaper to go micro atx and get nearly the same result in a slightly larger package.
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