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I am currently using my sig rig.

I decided to go single card solution and sell off my gtx 460's. I purchased a gtx 570 MSI TF2 that will be delivered thursday.

Now I am running into threads on OCN about frying 570's on stock voltage...
Also, I had no idea how strong of a performer the 560 Ti was before I bought the 570. It actually tops the 570 in some benchs?!?! While using less power and costing $100 less (from MSI 570 to MSI 560ti)

Did I make a mistake with the 570? I only run a single 1920x1080 monitor, but I would love to game on the 1080p monitor and run a second low res monitor on the side for chat/email/forums etc at the same time. Will the 570 help me do that better than the 560?.

Whatever I end up keeping, I want to run most new games maxed at 1080p. Particularly, I want to max Skyrim with min30/avg60 FPS in november.

My three options at this point are:
1.) Keep both of the 460's and be done with it (return the 570 when it arrives, although I would like to reduce power usage and screen tearing/stuttering i'm getting)
2.) Keep one 460 and wait until Skyrim to upgrade and sell off the remaining 460.
3.) Keep the 570
4.) Return the 570 for a 560Ti and save $100.

I can afford nothing more expensive than option 3.

Feedback much appreciated! ^_^
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A second display at a different resolution will increase the GPU temps a lot. Don't do it.
If you really want a second display at lower res, then put in a 9400 or the like to run the second screen, it'll keep the 570 a lot happier.
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Benches that show 560 beating 570 are because stock clocks are huge on 560 and 570s are fairly conservative stock clocks. When overclocking each to their full potential, the 570 will obviously smash the 560.

As far as what you need, it is all relative. What games are you playing? What resolution are you playing them at? Most likely, the 560 would have fit the bill just fine, but since you already have the 570, you should probably stick with it unless it's way more than you need.

tl;dr: There is nothing wrong with 570's if you use them properly instead of abusing them
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The gtx 560 isnt even close in beating the gtx 570. I don't know what benches you're looking at but that sounds absurd to me. I love my gtx 570, it was a great buy. The only ''buyer's remorse'' I have is not getting a 6950 for 50$ less and unlock it to a 6970 for even better performance than the gtx 570...

Edit*: The gtx 570 is a really good overclocker. If you can get good speeds out of it, you won't even miss your sli gtx 460s.
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Frying 570's on stock voltage? I'm calling BS. They do have weak voltage regulation compared to earlier fermi cards, but they also have built in protection. The only dead 570's I have seen are ones with the voltage protection disabled, and the vcore running well over 1.1v (max safe voltage). The problem is that Nvidia decided on 4 phase power regulation on the 570, and the VRMs are not cooled sufficiently with the reference cooler. The 4 phase power regulation is enough for stock clocks, but not much more without causing the temps to skyrocket. This causes OC percentages to be lower than on other fermi cards. As long as you know this going in, and don't try to pump 1.5v or some other ridiculous amount through it, you'll be fine. Also look into either buying one with a non-reference cooler, or adding better cooling later to counteract the stress on the VRMs. My Gigabyte card provides sufficient cooling for the VRMs, and some other models do too.

Don't expect miracles from it. My 900/1800/2000 @1.038v OC is not the best, but it's considered a good OC for this particular chip. I don't get the bragging rights from a 1Ghz GPU, but I can play any game I want with high graphics settings, and I'm cranking out close to 20kPPD in F@H. I made the right choice going with this card.
 
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The gtx 560 isnt even close in beating the gtx 570. I don't know what benches you're looking at but that sounds absurd to me. I love my gtx 570, it was a great buy. The only ''buyer's remorse'' I have is not getting a 6950 for 50$ less and unlock it to a 6970 for even better performance than the gtx 570...

Edit*: The gtx 570 is a really good overclocker. If you can get good speeds out of it, you won't even miss your sli gtx 460s.
I have read through couple dozen pages of the thread on fried 570's on this site, and many people say that they did not disable the power limiters and still fried the card below 1.1v. That makes me nervous, and afraid to OC them more. The MSI TF2 apparently had its factory OC reduced because it wasn't stable...

The 570 beats the 560 in almost all the benches. According to anandtech, the 560 dominates the 570 in Civ 5 benchs? Also, 560 wins in some artificial benchs too. Furthermore, at least reference, the 560 is lower power usage, cooler and quieter than the 570 (obv). Also, hwcompare shows the 560 having 20% higher Texel rate than 570?

Anyways, that's where my concern comes in. I bought the 570 but it isn't here yet. I have found buyers for my wife's 5770 and one of my 460's. I was giving the 2nd 460 to my wife, and getting myself a 570. But I am second guessing that plan now.
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Just don't go above 1.1v and you're fine.
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Frying 570's on stock voltage? I'm calling BS. They do have weak voltage regulation compared to earlier fermi cards, but they also have built in protection. The only dead 570's I have seen are ones with the voltage protection disabled, and the vcore running well over 1.1v (max safe voltage).
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9291...led-570-a.html

Have you seen that thread? On post #1, there is a hidden link for " Dead Cards"

Many of them did not disable power limited and did not go over 1.1v
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9291...led-570-a.html

Have you seen that thread? On post #1, there is a hidden link for " Dead Cards"

Many of them did not disable power limited and did not go over 1.1v
Bad cards/faulty to begin with most likely.
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Bad cards/faulty to begin with most likely.
No threads like that for any other GTX card in the 4xx or 5xx series. So it seems as though there may be a significant issue with the cards. That is part of my confusion/remorse. No thread of fried 560s or 580s
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