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Well I installed the 570 Twin FrozrII

Booted up after burner and found that my stock settings are 1.012 @ 750mhz.

Most of the stock voltages I have seen are around 0.985. This doesn't bode well for OC...

I figured, the worst that happens is I have to return the card if it doesn't perform well enough, might as well install it and find out instead of driving myself NUTS for any longer than I already have.


That's because you have a slightly overclocked version lol
My 570 FT II OC vid is .950mv @ msi's stock speeds.
 
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My 570 FT II OC vid is .950mv @ msi's stock speeds.
I always seem to end up with crappy overclockers.

Well I completed a heaven bench at 900 but at 1.1v. Too scary.

I also completed a bench at 850 with voltage as low as 1.038v. Seems to be the best this card can do within safe limits... 850mhz @ 1038mv. But that has not yet been stressed beyond Heaven bench. I havent furmark'd, Kombustor or OCCT yet, and its too late to start now.

So, the difference between stock 560 (822mhz) and stock 570 (732) is ~15%.
I'm assuming the difference between 560 (1000mhz) and 570 (850mhz) will be less than 15% at 1080p. Probably closer to 10%.

So going from the 560 OC to a 570 OC gains 10% more but costs 40% more? Yikes. Is that extra 10% performance going to prevent an upgrade from needing to happen sooner? I would assume not. I guess that means I should return the 570 and get the 560. Sigh...
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15% extra performance on a game where you get 20 FPS is equal to 23 FPS which is still unplayable..
Agreed, but that point is mute.
The 560's max FPS didn't even equal the 570's minimum.... in several titles, plus ones I didn't list.
It gets easily outperformed in many scenarios (mostly high res with the goodies on)....which is why its $250.

Refer to my earlier post with Techspots review if you need hard data.

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15% on top of the $250 price tag means you'd have to pay only $280 not $350.

Not saying that the GTX 570 is a bad card but it's not a best buy.
You can say whatever you want its just an opinion.

The 560Ti came out long after I bought my GPU.
I like my GTX 580 performance for $350.
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So going from the 560 OC to a 570 OC gains 10% more ...
15-25%.

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Originally Posted by RomeSC View Post
but costs 40% more?
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And came out long after.

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Originally Posted by RomeSC View Post

Yikes. Is that extra 10% performance going to prevent an upgrade from needing to happen sooner? I would assume not. I guess that means I should return the 570 and get the 560. Sigh...
I consider this 570 at 580 performance to barely be enough, so a 560 wouldn't suffice.
It drops off when you really work it.

If youre demands aren't as high as mine for tessellation performance, high resolutions and maxed goodies, you can settle with the 560. It does perform quite well for what it is no doubt! 99% of people who buy a 560 won't go over 1080P with it anyways, and its quite fast at that res.


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Thank you Anandtech, TheTechReport and Techspot!


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I honestly can't imagine running a res higher than 1080P, so the 560 will seemingly be the better choice for me.

I would go triple screen surround before I went single screen 1600P monitor, and if that's the case I'd need SLI anyways.

Do you have those charts in 1080P variety? lol
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Don't forget the more cores/VRAM/bus width, the less you have to overclock to get the same incremental increase in performance:

e.g.

GTX 580 with 512cores & 1.5gb @384bit = 3 fps increase per *x* mhz in clock speed
GTX 570 with 480cores & 1.2gb @320bit = 2 fps increase per *x* mhz in clock speed
GTX 560 with 384cores & 1gb @256bit = 1 fps increase per *x* mhz in clock speed

As 570 has more cores & greater bus width, every x mhz increase in clock speed yields more resulting performance than a 560 with the same x mhz increase.

GTX580&570 already has far less VRAM compared to ATI equilvalents. 560's 1GB VRAM is very 2009 - enough for 1080p without AA. Add any AA and performance takes a larger hit.


Look at it this way:

Heavily Overclocked 560 = ~stock 570
Heavily Overclocked 570 = ~stock 580
Moderately Overclocked 480 = ~stock 580
Overclocked 580 = best single-die GPU ever.

Another fact: GTX 560s are not guranteed to hit 1ghz. So you might not even get stock 570 performance with an OC-ed 560, let alone the GTX 580-ish performance you've got with your 570 @ 850mhz.

How long a card can last you depends entirely on your standards - You can save $100, and play with the knowledge that you're getting an inferior experience. Or keep the overclocked 570 and play knowing you're getting a superior experience to GTX 560.

Personally I'd get the best card I can afford - this way I play knowing I'm getting the best experience possible.
Edited by overclocktilyerdrop - 3/28/11 at 8:32pm
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Several.

Not really.
Ahaha I had forgotten about this thread.

So you don't bother fully reading the benches you actually cite, and cherry pick the titles with the widest gap to try and make your case (whatever that is...).

Why do I bother?

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I honestly can't imagine running a res higher than 1080P, so the 560 will seemingly be the better choice for me.

I would go triple screen surround before I went single screen 1600P monitor, and if that's the case I'd need SLI anyways.

Do you have those charts in 1080P variety? lol
A 560 at 1080p will handle most games well. Though you may want to consider SLI to really max the most demanding titles.

A single 570 at that res struggles with the same titles mind you.

Some 1920x1200 examples:

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Just go for a gtx 570, its placed between the gtx 560 and the gtx 580 in terms of performance and pricing.
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Don't forget the more cores/VRAM/bus width, the less you have to overclock to get the same incremental increase in performance:

e.g.

GTX 580 with 512cores & 1.5gb @384bit = 3 fps increase per *x* mhz in clock speed
GTX 570 with 480cores & 1.2gb @320bit = 2 fps increase per *x* mhz in clock speed
GTX 560 with 384cores & 1gb @256bit = 1 fps increase per *x* mhz in clock speed

As 570 has more cores & greater bus width, every x mhz increase in clock speed yields more resulting performance than a 560 with the same x mhz increase.

GTX580&570 already has far less VRAM compared to ATI equilvalents. 560's 1GB VRAM is very 2009 - enough for 1080p without AA. Add any AA and performance takes a larger hit.


Look at it this way:

Heavily Overclocked 560 = ~stock 570
Heavily Overclocked 570 = ~stock 580
Moderately Overclocked 480 = ~stock 580
Overclocked 580 = best single-die GPU ever.

Another fact: GTX 560s are not guranteed to hit 1ghz. So you might not even get stock 570 performance with an OC-ed 560, let alone the GTX 580-ish performance you've got with your 570 @ 850mhz.

How long a card can last you depends entirely on your standards - You can save $100, and play with the knowledge that you're getting an inferior experience. Or keep the overclocked 570 and play knowing you're getting a superior experience to GTX 560.

Personally I'd get the best card I can afford - this way I play knowing I'm getting the best experience possible.
I lol @ this post

@OP all this crap about 570 blowing ,etc is blown out of proportion (probably bad batch or faulty cards to began with )
GTX 570 is awesome card and OC's like crazy ,you going to love it (can't wait for another)
    
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you guys rely to much on this old benchmarks..there was i think two new drivers since some of this have been tested
    
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