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I've been getting AT&T Uverse with ~1.75-2Megabytes/Sec actual DL speed (1.75 for torrents, 2 for normal filehosts like MU) for like 30 something bucks for over a year now. Of course my line is copper-fiber. No limits so far although I read an worrying article the other day 250GB/month cap shivers I'll have to cut down on my net usage if that happens (250GB-1TB/month atm)
This is a slow day.
http://i451.photobucket.com/albums/q...6839941401.png

That's in Megabit/Sec btw not Megabytes/Sec for the pic although I wouldn't put much stock in it I only have a 12 Megabit line lmao.
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What are your advertised speeds? I have an advertised speed of 15mbps or whatever and I get 1 MB/s on a good day. As far as uploading goes, I can't upload a YouTube video and then continue to do any internet demanding tasks and basic web-browsing is really slow. Also, it takes about 3 hours for a 10min video to upload.

Is this good/average/bad/normal?
That's terrible, and I'm sorry. But that's certainly not normal, as far as around here. At least, as long as you don't go with Clear.

I buy advertised speeds of 50/10, and get 62/12 consistently in speed tests put out to the right servers. It drops some with the Minecraft server running all the time, but it's still in the 6-7mbps upload range, and download is always too fast to be capped on my end.

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Because in other places, that $10-$20 per month can get you an uncapped connection with reliable, sustained speeds of 10+Mb/s.
Those other places also have a much, much higher population density. More population density means less cable needs to be laid, fewer repeaters and switches are needed, and fewer potential points of failure. All of this saves the companies a SIGNIFICANT amount of money in those high-population areas, which means they can upgrade their infrastructure more often and offer their customers lower prices.

Yes, competition is low in most areas of the US, having only one or two companies to choose from. That's not the government's fault - it's the fact that not every ISP has the money to cover the whole US with cable! In fact, none of them do.

Take Comcast for example. Their latest 10-K filing shows us that they have $118B of total assets, of which only $8B is current assets (cash or cash equivalents). Additionally, their profit was $3.3B in the last fiscal year, out of $38B of total revenue. They have less than 10% margin in their company operations. $15B was just to run the company and support their services. I don't see a whole lot of margin there to pad executives pockets with.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...3125-11-047243

It's not the ISPs or the governments fault that we have slow internet. It's the fact that we have such sparse population density compared to most other countries of the world. Sparser population density means that an ISP has to lay more cable to get the same number of customers, which naturally drives prices up. Nothing much we can do about that. It costs money to run a company, and to pay workers to lay cable, and to pay people for that cable.

The USA is ranked 179 out of 240 for population density, with the #1 spot held by China. I bet that ANY country with cheaper internet than the USA is also higher than the US on that chart.

Japan has a population density of 873 people/sq mi, whereas the US is 83 people/sq mi. If that doesn't put some perspective into your thoughts about why internet might be more expensive in the US, I'm not sure anything will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density
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That's terrible, and I'm sorry. But that's certainly not normal, as far as around here. At least, as long as you don't go with Clear.

I buy advertised speeds of 50/10, and get 62/12 consistently in speed tests put out to the right servers. It drops some with the Minecraft server running all the time, but it's still in the 6-7mbps upload range, and download is always too fast to be capped on my end.


Those other places also have a much, much higher population density. More population density means less cable needs to be laid, fewer repeaters and switches are needed, and fewer potential points of failure. All of this saves the companies a SIGNIFICANT amount of money in those high-population areas, which means they can upgrade their infrastructure more often and offer their customers lower prices.

Yes, competition is low in most areas of the US, having only one or two companies to choose from. That's not the government's fault - it's the fact that not every ISP has the money to cover the whole US with cable! In fact, none of them do.

Take Comcast for example. Their latest 10-K filing shows us that they have $118B of total assets, of which only $8B is current assets (cash or cash equivalents). Additionally, their profit was $3.3B in the last fiscal year, out of $38B of total revenue. They have less than 10% margin in their company operations. $15B was just to run the company and support their services. I don't see a whole lot of margin there to pad executives pockets with.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/...3125-11-047243

It's not the ISPs or the governments fault that we have slow internet. It's the fact that we have such sparse population density compared to most other countries of the world. Sparser population density means that an ISP has to lay more cable to get the same number of customers, which naturally drives prices up. Nothing much we can do about that. It costs money to run a company, and to pay workers to lay cable, and to pay people for that cable.

The USA is ranked 179 out of 240 for population density, with the #1 spot held by China. I bet that ANY country with cheaper internet than the USA is also higher than the US on that chart.

Japan has a population density of 873 people/sq mi, whereas the US is 83 people/sq mi. If that doesn't put some perspective into your thoughts about why internet might be more expensive in the US, I'm not sure anything will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density
Ummm did you know back in the 90's the government gave all these companies tax breaks and incentives to lay lines because they wanted to expand American's infrastructure? And did you know that they pissed it all away and didn't expand anything?
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Ummm did you know back in the 90's the government gave all these companies tax breaks and incentives to lay lines because they wanted to expand American's infrastructure? And did you know that they pissed it all away and didn't expand anything?
We wouldn't have 50mbps cable connections if it wasn't for spending on infrastructure.

And is what happened in the 90's really even relevant anymore? Are we even still using any infrastructure from that time?
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We wouldn't have 50mbps cable connections if it wasn't for spending on infrastructure.

And is what happened in the 90's really even relevant anymore? Are we even still using any infrastructure from that time?
What. How is billions that were supposed to go to infrastructure NOT relevant? Fiber has been around awhile and I'm pretty sure all the "main" lines are fiber and then copper to the house excluding FIOS so it's mainly the equipment at the end of the line that has to be upgraded. Even if that was irrelevant and all lines were in fact replaced then we sure missed a big stepping stone that was pissed away on Bentleys and cigars. I'm sure they still get those huge tax breaks, too.
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I wanted to upgrade my $45.99/month (plus taxes/fees) DSL that gets me 6megabit down 1/2 up. GREAT! My ISP has a plan that only costs $5 more! Great Great! BUT. Said 12megabit service is not available in my neighborhood. BTW my ISP is one of only 2, the other being no cheaper and not any faster...

Grrrr.
You know there is something called Price Fixing, and I think that is what some of these companies are doing, they are not competing in price for a reason!

If anyone starts a war, meaning they offer a lower price than say AT&T, then what they will be doing is cutting off their own profit, so rather than go against the grain, they offer near to AT&T's price for similar speeds..

This is known as price fixing, where company A / B / C / D all offer the same product at the same cost, stifling competition being that A/B/C/D own 100% of the market collectively...

The problem is when A buys D making B & C a lot smaller, this may spur a price war! (& I SURE HOPE SO!)

Considering Verizon & Sprint don't really care about the AT&T / T-Mobile merger, I'm thinking it's not gonna happen...

So we are stuck in a price fixed market, like it was a damn commodity! meh!
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What. How is billions that were supposed to go to infrastructure NOT relevant? Fiber has been around awhile and I'm pretty sure all the "main" lines are fiber and then copper to the house excluding FIOS so it's mainly the equipment at the end of the line that has to be upgraded. Even if that was irrelevant and all lines were in fact replaced then we sure missed a big stepping stone that was pissed away on Bentleys and cigars. I'm sure they still get those huge tax breaks, too.
You know scandals happen every day behind the gov. curtain, don't deny it...
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Just don't complain. Here in Venezuela the MAX you're gonna get on an ADSL line is 2Mbit down, 0.5 Mbit up. Ad it cousts the double than 1.5Mbit down, 0.5 Mbit up.

Thanks to state-owned main telecom company....
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My county supposedly has every home at > 4Mbps. I love Charter.
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I'm still waiting on my SamKnows router.
I don't believe it says "throttle down to 1.5 mbps from 8:30 to 11:00 pm" in my contract..
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