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Originally Posted by NicksTricks007 View Post
Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but the US cannot extradite Geo due to this being a CIVIL case.

Definition of International Extradition - This term refers to a formal international process whereby a person found in one country is surrendered to another country for the administration of punishment if the person has already been tried and found guilty and sentenced or for extradited for trial if the person is wanted to stand trial for a crime. There is no such thing as extradition for civil matters, it has to be criminal.

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*kisses you* Thank you for being one of VERY few that can give a strong argument with a reliable source. I don't have a problem at all with seeing people respond with views opposite of mine so long as they do so with reasonable facts.

My counter-argument: Isn't court trial evasion a crime? Tax evasion is. Geo has a court trial pending and he has evaded it by fleeing the country to not give up his hardware as demanded by court.
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lol@ the idiots who had donated money to his "cause". Looks like he took all that money and ran off with it.
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No, he wasn't JUST trying to use his PS3 however he wanted. Nothing would've ever happened had he JUST did that. What he tried to do was distribute a way for EVERYBODY to use their PS3 how they wanted, essentially allowing EVERYBODY to pirate games how they wanted.
Enabling the freedom of others makes you responsible for what they do with that freedom?

That sounds completely absurd to me.

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EDIT: Being a prisoner of war is a lot different from being a hacker. They're two completely different situations, and can not be compared. I didn't dodge the question.
You are fussing over irrelevancies here.

My point was that in both situations both individuals would be faced consequences they perceived as unjust, from those they did not feel had any right to impose such consequences on them.

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If he didn't do anything wrong, he shouldn't have run.
So there is no situation where you would ever run from, as long as you didn't do anything wrong, no matter how terrible the consequences?

If you need to martyr yourself to not be a coward, then I would rather be a coward in your eyes any day.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
I know I know, I wasn't arguing back at you. I was more like collaborating with your post and just showing these fools why Sony needs to and wants to defend themselves so badly. The release of Geo's hack is TREMENDOUSLY going to hurt their profits as game sales are where the majority of Sony's PS3 revenue comes from and games can now be pirated very easily.
So what?

Even if they got the kid in court and sued him for billions and won, so what?

They know this, their legal department could easily prove to them the only thing they will get out of this kid is a $10 payment / month, hardly anything close to their losses true?

Everyone and anyone that knows law, knows that you won't win anything going after a broke person. So, Sony is not doing it for the money, hardly.

Do they gain anything by choosing their course of action? That's the real question.

I dare to say Sony will end up losing more by going after this kid, bad move Sony, you really need to fire your advisers or tell the emotional head honcho to shut up!

This is not a win / win situation, but a lose / lose situation bent on destruction, where everyone stand to lose, except of course the court systems, unless you didn't pay them, then of course all you did was tie up the courts with pointless law suits..
Edited by _GTech - 3/23/11 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by cougar62 View Post
You're smiling because Sony decided to do everything they could to ruin this kid's life and got him to flee the country? Sounds a little harsh to me, big companies have far too much power.
They didn't decide to ruin it. He chose that himself. He used their legally protected keys to compromise their software, distributed it, and now he's crying/running.
No one's fault but his own.

If he really is in SA, again - that's his fault not Sony's. He could stand up and just take it like a man if he really is the "shining star and example about how we should stand up to big evil companies like Sony" like everyone makes him out to be as if a martyr. He made his decision to mess with Sony, fully aware of what could happen. And it did. So what does he do? Supposedly he flees the country - oh? XD And we're supposed to feel sorry for him?
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*kisses you* Thank you for being one of VERY few that can give a strong argument with a reliable source. I don't have a problem at all with seeing people respond with views opposite of mine so long as they do so with reasonable facts.

My counter-argument: Isn't court trial evasion a crime? Tax evasion is. Geo has a court trial pending and he has evaded it by fleeing the country to not give up his hardware as demanded by court.
This is a civil case not a criminal case.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
I know I know, I wasn't arguing back at you. I was more like collaborating with your post and just showing these fools why Sony needs to and wants to defend themselves so badly. The release of Geo's hack is TREMENDOUSLY going to hurt their profits as game sales are where the majority of Sony's PS3 revenue comes from and games can now be pirated very easily.
You really show your ignorance in the lack of knowledge you claim to know about what geohot was doing. From the beggining he was against pirating and would not release that information at all, even though he had it from back when we had other OS.
Ignorant post is ignorant.

[QUOTE=Stealth Pyros;12839324]*kisses you* Thank you for being one of VERY few that can give a strong argument with a reliable source. I don't have a problem at all with seeing people respond with views opposite of mine so long as they do so with reasonable facts.
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post
This is a civil case not a criminal case.
I don't think it matters if he flees a court case. If you are summoned to court, you have to show up. Plus, didn't he tamper evidence? Another crime.

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You really show your ignorance in the lack of knowledge you claim to know about what geohot was doing. From the beggining he was against pirating and would not release that information at all, even though he had it from back when we had other OS.
Ignorant post is ignorant.
Did you linger over his shoulder? Did you have daily meetings with Geo and discussed his real intentions? It appears you are one of the many people who reads something on the internet and take it as if it was biblical. There is no possible way you could have known his real intentions, you just read what he "claimed", which is obvious he could have been lying. It has been proven that he has lied about things regarding this case.
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Enabling the freedom of others makes you responsible for what they do with that freedom?

That sounds completely absurd to me.



You are fussing over irrelevancies here.

My point was that in both situations both individuals would be faced consequences they perceived as unjust, from those they did not feel had any right to impose such consequences on them.



So there is no situation where you would ever run from, as long as you didn't do anything wrong, no matter how terrible the consequences.
War is completely different from hacking, therefore no correlation can be made. Had I been found guilty of something I found unjust in the US, then I sure as hell would stay and fight it. I wouldn't run like a coward (coward being a much nicer term that I can use on OCN).

Sure there are situations I would run from, but I wouldn't run from being sued even if I knew I was going to lose everything. If I did something wrong in the US, and I was a citizen of the US, then I would accept responsibility for my actions. What he did, he knew was wrong, and then just acted like an arrogant dick and decided to try and flaunt it when he was getting sued with the rap video and his postings online. Now he's taken all of that money that people have donated to him because they believe in his cause, and has ran to South America.
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This is a civil case not a criminal case.
... that doesn't even address what I was saying. This response is getting old. I'll list out the points one at a time to help you understand:

- Yes, Geo's case with Sony is a civil case.
- Geo has fled the country, which is evasion of a civil case court trial, which I believe is considered a crime just like tax evasion is a crime.
- By evading the civil case trial, he has now opened up the "criminal" status, and may fall within the conditions to have him extradited.

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You really show your ignorance in the lack of knowledge you claim to know about what geohot was doing. From the beggining he was against pirating and would not release that information at all, even though he had it from back when we had other OS.
Ignorant post is ignorant.
Lul'd. Right. "I don't support theft" is just EXACTLY what someone who just stole a few thousand dollars would say. You honestly think he would admit that he himself intended to pirate games after discovering the security hole?
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