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Originally Posted by transhour View Post
do people even read the news anymore? do you even try to find out what is really going on? or do you just jump on the first wagon that comes in?

if you were even in the slightest concerned about this case, or what has "developed" in it, sony is the one accusing him of "fleeing", they are still in the evidence gathering phase of the case, as far as i know, no court date has been set, no jury has been chosen, they are still having litigation that involves where the case should be tried at...

you should read up on civil law, he is basically refusing to hand over his personal property, that could potentially contain private and confidential information. in several motions he has made, he has stated it could be damaging to him and his business associates if this information was accidentally leaked to a competitor (which is protected by civil law, if any thing, the judge that authorized the search and seizure, spero, over stepped his legal authority by authorizing such fishing expedition, and should be investigated)

you argue for Sony's Intellectual Property rights, but what about his rights to privacy and confidentiality?

all that has been really released, the reason why he wont hand over the remaining of the harddrives or information that was previously contained on the harddrives that he removed, is that he is not available to do so, cause he is in south america, doesn't even state where he is at in south america...

it is not like he committed murder, tortured, robbed, burned down a house full of orphans, sold drugs to a 8 year old, killed a family of 5 driving home from disney world with him being drunk behind the wheel...he hacked proprietary software to use hardware he purchased...yeah where's my pitch fork...there shall be a witch hunt tonight!
Actually, I'm quite up to date. If YOU haven't recently read, there's ongoing talks about just how much access Sony is privy to when it comes to his hardware, and what information they can use.

If a court mandates that he hands over his hardware, then it's not asking him to do so, it's telling him to do so. Not doing so by leaving the country is a flagrant disregard for the law and the court. Which is a CRIMINAL act and not a civil one.

It's a shame that he couldn't have just created his own OS to throw on the machine instead of completely manipulating Sony's code. I really wish he'd done that, it would save a lot of hassle on both sides and those that want to run Linux on the PS3 (the whole 1-2 million people that actually wanted to prior to this).

I'm not on any bandwagon. In fact I can guarantee I've read more into this than you or the majority of his "followers" have. Troll elsewhere mcnubbins.
post #152 of 260
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Originally Posted by NicksTricks007 View Post
Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but the US cannot extradite Geo due to this being a CIVIL case.

Definition of International Extradition - This term refers to a formal international process whereby a person found in one country is surrendered to another country for the administration of punishment if the person has already been tried and found guilty and sentenced or for extradited for trial if the person is wanted to stand trial for a crime. There is no such thing as extradition for civil matters, it has to be criminal.

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not true, since he bolted the judge can issue a bench warrant for his arrest for failure to comply. not that he would be extradited for that though.
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post #153 of 260
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Originally Posted by fr0st. View Post
This stupid, Sony should burn for this.

All this guy wanted to do was use the full extent of his hardware that he'd purchased and Sony have forced him to flee the country and have offset his life.

Seriously, just stupid, stupid, stupid.

/oneman'sopinion.

-fr0st.

no he didn't. all he wanted was piracy and to screw over the PS3 console.

it is not fair on the people who paid good money to play their Play stations.
    
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... that doesn't even address what I was saying. This response is getting old. I'll list out the points one at a time to help you understand:

- Yes, Geo's case with Sony is a civil case.
- Geo has fled the country, which is evasion of a civil case court trial, which I believe is considered a crime just like tax evasion is a crime.
- By evading the civil case trial, he has now opened up the "criminal" status, and may fall within the conditions to have him extradited.
You don't get a criminal status for missing a civil case as a plaintiff or defendant. You are missing the point.

Sony and the courts do not have concrete evidence to proceed against Geohot. They needed whatever evidence that Geohot had.

There is also no proof Geohot tampered the hard drives. That is Sony's allegation because they could not find what they believed they would find.
Edited by Riou - 3/23/11 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by BKsMassive View Post
no he didn't. all he wanted was piracy and to screw over the PS3 console.

it is not fair on the people who paid good money to play their Play stations.
You truly are a moron. GH is AGAINST piracy!
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It's a shame that he couldn't have just created his own OS to throw on the machine instead of completely manipulating Sony's code. I really wish he'd done that, it would save a lot of hassle on both sides and those that want to run Linux on the PS3 (the whole 1-2 million people that actually wanted to prior to this).
Correct. Had this kid completely written his own OS from scratch and installed it on the PS3, he would be totally free of any trouble. The only thing in that situation that would still be illegal is if he also put in the ability to read PS3 discs, as that is patented as part of the PS3's software and he would have had to decompile the PS3's software to figure out how to get his OS to read the PS3 discs.
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*kisses you* Thank you for being one of VERY few that can give a strong argument with a reliable source. I don't have a problem at all with seeing people respond with views opposite of mine so long as they do so with reasonable facts.

My counter-argument: Isn't court trial evasion a crime? Tax evasion is. Geo has a court trial pending and he has evaded it by fleeing the country to not give up his hardware as demanded by court.
NP I'm not condoning or condemning what Geo did, to each his own I say to that.

As far as him handing over his equipment, it really depends on how specific the court order was. He in fact did hand over the hard drives to a neutral 3rd party, but SCEA claims they were tampered with. To me if they really wanted to get the information they were looking for on them, they (the courts and Sony) should have sent someone to collect his equipment as it was before giving him a chance to mess with anything. So, depending on the circumstances and how you look at them, he did exactly what the courts asked him to do, albeit AFTER he allegedly took out certain "parts" of the info.

Also, I'm not sure when his trial is, and as long as he shows up for that, then he hasn't evaded anything. Same goes for his taxes, if he's not employed in the US and doesn't have any sort of taxable income, then he's not evading his taxes either, at least until next year when it comes time to file his taxes, and that's only if he owes.

Again, I'm in no way, shape or form condoning nor condemning what Hotz did (or didn't do for that matter).
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For all the morons that think GeoHot's objective was piracy.
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I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone’s copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it’s paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of all previous cases (or, in reverse), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play “super mario world, an unauthorized game” on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow’s goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It’s shameful on Sony’s part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don’t sue people who point out your shortcomings.
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He has also placed that in post he made in the past on his site and his homebrewing guides, stating that he will not EVER release info o pirate games because he is against that.
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Originally Posted by t3lancer2006 View Post
If he didn't do anything wrong, he shouldn't have run.
lol, seriously if you beleive the whole inoccent till proven guilty you are completly clueless. if you dont think that alot of judges in cali are aware of big business in there decisions, you are completly clueless. he had no chance of ever winning the case. Point is, the court should have been held in Geo's state, not cali. it dosnt matter if he had a psn account or if he accepted donations from people on mars, he did the hacking in his own state, therfore it should have been in trial in his home state. Think about it...if sony thought they would have the same responses from judges in geo's state, why would they request to sue him in cali??? dosnt make sense unless you go back to my 2nd sentence does it...again, there is no reason for sony to sue in one state or another unless they have a secret weapon...ie the dam judge.
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You truly are a moron. GH is AGAINST piracy!
Wait, let me rephrase that...
Edited by _GTech - 3/23/11 at 10:59am
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