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Hacking firmware, or cracking games, in no way implies piracy. To argue that it does, when there are plenty of other reasons one would find such things useful or interesting, is just another unfounded assumption.

Not even Sony has accused GeoHot of pirating games, and they would know if he did, as they have all his financial records, receipts, and PSN account info.

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So everyone that donated to his cause will likely sue him, cause he said it was all for court fees.
That's like charging someone with shoplifting after they have already been sentenced to life in prison.

Zero. Incentive. To. Give. A. Damn.

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Now hes in over his head.... This was a mistake, you take your punches and fight.. You dont run away.
Personally, I'd rather live to fight another day than be beaten to death here and now for nothing.
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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
he could have done anythign he wanted ot the hard drives before the search warrant was given to him. hell his lawyer could have called and told him they were comming and he deleted everything and still didnt break any laws. sony is just mad that they got screwed
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i have read all the articles that have "involved" this case.

i've been in civil litigations and have been sued before...

i at least know the difference between civil and criminal law, you've already showed you ignorance of this:



you can't go to jail for loosing a civil case, you aren't even found guilty or innocent of a crime, just liable or not liable for damages (typically you amend for the damages by reward of a monetary settlement).

in a civil case, the "burden of proof" isn't even "beyond reasonable doubt", it is "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".

so i'm trolling cause my opinion of the matter differs than yours, and what i took from reading the articles, differ than yours...no where in the current article does it state that any court of law has said he has "fled" to avoid this case, sony has made the claim:

he actually has the right to appeal the subpoena for his harddrives, personal property, documents, etc...if i am not mistaken, his appeal hasn't been shot down yet, if i am please provide me with the correct link...so he can withhold that information till his appeal goes through, or the motion for appeal is shot down...

You can't be serous. You are saying that once a civil case in inducted into the courts, and comes under a public jurisdiction, that any intentional impediment upon the legal process or criminal activity performed in the process cannot result in criminal prosecution.

No wonder you were sued. Probably for something pretty stupid. Hell, you don't even know what capitalization is.

In his dealings he had conspired with others to make money from his hacks, and in that case,

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Conspiracy, in law, agreement between persons to do something illegal or criminal. In this offense, the mere agreement of the conspirators is punishable by legal authority, even though they may not have taken any action to complete the crime. In most cases of conspiracy, however, such acts are performed.

This doctrine of the common law has been changed by federal legislation and by statute in many states of the U.S. Under such legislation the commission of an overt act to accomplish the purpose of the conspiracy is essential to consummate the crime. As soon as that act is done, the offense of conspiracy is punishable and is in no way affected by the nature or results of the act, even if the act could not possibly accomplish the conspirators' intention.

Some of the more important common-law conspiracies were those to commit treason or sedition, to murder, to cheat and defraud, and to injure another maliciously. They were misdemeanors only. Statutory conspiracies, that is, acts declared by legislation to be punishable as conspiracies, have been raised to the rank of felonies in some instances.

Even when no crime is involved, a civil action for conspiracy may be brought by the persons who were damaged. A civil conspiracy or collusion is an agreement between two or more persons to defraud another of rights or to obtain an illegal objective.
http://www.webcitation.org/5kwRJht8e
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^This
thanks, if he had broken the search warrant rules or broken an order put out by the judge he would have a bench warrant out for his arrest, which he does not. He was just able to delete the damaging evidence before he was served and sony is mad that he didnt give them the evidence they wanted...i really hope he handed them 3 ps3's with completly formated hard drives and all his computers completly wiped...that would be so much WIN!!
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Do you fail to understand the 2 most basic human behaviors? Along with almost every other mamal, FIGHT OR FLIGHT. He chose flight, who cares?
Yeah i guess your right. Still feel like he made a mistake though. We will most likely be seeing "scene" releases and hacks for sony consoles from him in third world countries now
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The real problem here people is, in Civil court evidence is not really necessary...

In fact, in Civil court, much of what would be thrown out in criminal court is admissible.

Therefore Sony, knowing they wouldn't stand a chance in criminal, took him to civil, but because they are very rich and have power over the residing judge (if you think otherwise you would be silly), they stand a great chance of winning the case, but winning doesn't really mean winning anything significant...

They are trying to expose the kid, and GeoHot is probably feeling a little exposed..



If I was the kid I probably would have fled to a country which doesn't allow U.S. extradition, if there is a such a thing, but because Sony is a Global Corporation, I doubt there is anywhere for him to hide, truly, that means they will most likely continue this campaign for exposure until they feel they have gotten the justice they want...

I'd be embarrassed to show myself in public, he is probably infamous world wide by now, and that's not a good thing...
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Originally Posted by PhillyOverclocker View Post
You can't be serous? You are saying that once a civil case in inducted into the courts, and comes under a public jurisdiction, that any intentional impediment upon the legal process cannot result in criminal prosecution.

No wonder you were sued. Probably for something pretty stupid. Hell, you don't even know what capitalization is.

In his dealings he had conpired with others to make money from his hacks, and in that case,



http://www.webcitation.org/5kwRJht8e
How can it be conspiracy when it is just Geohot? Conspiracy requires two or more people. I don't see Sony suing anybody else in conjunction with Geohot.
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How can it be conspiracy when it is just Geohot? Conspiracy requires two or more people. I don't see Sony suing anybody else in conjunction with Geohot.
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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
intentions are not actions and dont prove anything one way or another...
In civil court claims of intentions hold weight....

If a man shows up at my door holding a knife in the air, and the cops took him down before anything could happen, I'm sure my claims in civil court would hold weight...
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Im all for this guy getting away! Sony need btch slapping!
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