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Originally Posted by transhour View Post
i have read all the articles that have "involved" this case.

i've been in civil litigations and have been sued before...

i at least know the difference between civil and criminal law, you've already showed you ignorance of this:



you can't go to jail for loosing a civil case, you aren't even found guilty or innocent of a crime, just liable or not liable for damages (typically you amend for the damages by reward of a monetary settlement).

in a civil case, the "burden of proof" isn't even "beyond reasonable doubt", it is "preponderance of evidence" and "clear and convincing evidence".

so i'm trolling cause my opinion of the matter differs than yours, and what i took from reading the articles, differ than yours...no where in the current article does it state that any court of law has said he has "fled" to avoid this case, sony has made the claim:



source



The Actual Sony Motion

he actually has the right to appeal the subpoena for his harddrives, personal property, documents, etc...if i am not mistaken, his appeal hasn't been shot down yet, if i am please provide me with the correct link...so he can withhold that information till his appeal goes through, or the motion for appeal is shot down...
Fair enough. However, if he were to miss a court date or provide evidence by the date mandated by court, that would fall into a new spectrum altogether. In my experience, failing to provide evidence is considered criminal, whether in a civil case or not.

I stated you were trolling because you said I don't understand the scope of this, which is untrue. However, i believe your intentions aren't to incite argument or flaming, so I apologize and hope you forgive me for that.

In the end, I'm just saying, he needs to stay and fight this. I'm not necessarily on Sony's side in all of this. There's a lot they've done that go beyond reasonable attempts to get information. I think it's dispicable some of the actions they've taken.

At the same time, I don't believe that he's completely innocent. That, of course, has to be proven through court, and if he's not guilty, then no matter my opinion, he's not guilty.
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Haha, I did not see this coming.
Let me just sit here and think back to all those posts about how Sony has no chance of winning.
This made me smile.
Beat me to it. Gotta say.. reading that article made me laugh.
post #223 of 260
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when did i say he could never face criminal prosecution? i never did, i just said the current case against him, the civil one dealing with him being sued by sony for jailbreaking/hacking IP , can not lead to his imprisonment if he is found liable. i've seen this particular user in the past in other post, make such a claim as the result of the case's outcome.

now if he has tampered with evidence, or actually did flee to avoid the civil case, or committed any criminal acts, i do agree that he should be held criminally accountable and brought to justice by the federal government with full extent of the law, and i don't believe that sony should have any say in the matter (as they are the ones currently accusing him of fleeing and tampering with evidence, the court has yet to decide this is the case, another trial will need to be started and evidenced gathered if there is any merit to sony claims.)

so since you can't really form a coherent argument, you attack my lack of using caps...but i can say one thing, i at least know how to spell SERIOUS!
That's exactly what this story says he did.

And sorry bout that I didn't mean to attack you, I'm just telling it the way it is.

Remember OJ Simpson? If he had been sued in civil court first and lost the way he did, then that would have given prosecutors the go-ahead to bring about criminal charges against him.

Sony has the luxury of being able to do it the right way around. EDIT: If they find any evidence in this civil case that Geo broke the law in his proceedings, then you can be certain that a criminal trial will soon follow.
Edited by PhillyOverclocker - 3/23/11 at 11:59am
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That's exactly what this story says he did.

And sorry bout that I didn't mean to attack you, I'm just telling it the way it is.

Remember OJ Simpson? If he had been sued in civil court first and lost the way he did, then that would have given prosecutors the go-ahead to bring about criminal charges against him.

Sony has the luxury of being able to do it the right way around.
Proving someone guilty in criminal court is much tougher to do than making someone liable in civil court, at least in the US.
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Proving someone guilty in criminal court is much tougher to do than making someone liable in civil court, at least in the US.
Sorry, I edited and explained a bit further.
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Who cares whether or not he violated terms of service BS. The fact of the matter is that his life is SCREWED because of our corporatocracy of a government. This could have happened to anybody. There's no one to blame here except the vast majority of America's uninformed/uneducated/illiterate/you get the point voters. Hell, personally, I don't blame a damn soul. I'm high tailing it out of here the first chance I get!

I'm not the first one on OCN to say it, but from my personal experience, there's no way in hell you'll win against a corporation unless you got some serious $$$. EVEN if you're innocent, which I my case I was but still loss.
Edited by hollowtek - 3/23/11 at 12:04pm
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Who cares whether or not he violated terms of service BS. The fact of the matter is that his life is SCREWED because of our corporatocracy of a government. This could have happened to anybody. There's no one to blame here except the vast majority of America's uninformed/uneducated/illiterate/you get the point voters. Hell, personally, I don't blame a damn soul. I'm high tailing it out of here the first chance I get!
Wait... what? Do you even know what's going on here? There's a reason why laws are in place to protect Intellectual Policy. It's not like they're seeking some stupid patent like most corporations do, he (allegedly) willfully cracked their proprietary OS (see Intellectual Property) with several others (see Fail0verflow Team) and then spread the code (see illegally distributed) the method to reverse engineer that code and tools to do so.
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Never supporting Sony again. I have 2 top of the line Bravia panels and 1 PS3. Never again will I buy their panels.
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OT: Does anyone know where I can change the setting to display more than 10 posts per page? I've been looking for it and can't find it.

It would be so much easier to follow this debate.

Got it now.... Thanks DaMirrorLink!
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Say, I noticed your avatar is hitting 6.0 GHz, you doing that on a PS3? lolz
Nope! My PS3 hits 1THz!

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It was a purely a joke mate.. No trolls about it..
I was wondering why even even said that. It's amazing how many people don't even know what trolling means./troll
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