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Indeed. rpm does not require yum, or vice versa. It's quite possible to use apt to manage RPM packages, or yum to manage deb packages.

As for SuSE, I'll remind you all that it was invented by Patrick Volkerding (the developer of Slackware) many years ago, and it started out as not much more than a bastard cross between Slackware and Red Hat with RPM packages. It's gone well beyond that, of course, and doesn't bear very much resemblance to either of them now.
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Indeed. rpm does not require yum, or vice versa. It's quite possible to use apt to manage RPM packages, or yum to manage deb packages.

As for SuSE, I'll remind you all that it was invented by Patrick Volkerding (the developer of Slackware) many years ago, and it started out as not much more than a bastard cross between Slackware and Red Hat with RPM packages. It's gone well beyond that, of course, and doesn't bear very much resemblance to either of them now.
hehe, suse was the german port for slackware...started by 4 guys, i only know one of their names tho, Burchard Steinbild...it eventually developed into its own distro and company, that was eventually sold to novell. i think they started using rpm's around 1997?
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post #13 of 36
I've had a similar experience before It was with Sabayon actually I was asking how to make a Live Usb. Alot of hardcore linux people have very "I'm above you" attitudes instead of helping which is the only reason they should be there. They just like the prestige of using something most people have no experience with.

The best community by far is MEPIS, very tight nit.
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i like the crunchbang community so far its pretty useful and nice no matter what distro you use lol

and transhour if you use a debian system its useful to know both dpkg and apt, i dont know much dpkg stuff but i do know a bit with it... and it can grab packages from your repo and install them the same as apt, just requires a full package name with the version number and .deb extension and all that not just the short package name

and all i knew is that opensuse uses rpm packages, and ive heard people talk about using yum on opensuse before but ive also been told you cant use yum on opensuse, so it was easiest just to hop on irc and ask a question to get a simple yes or no lol

i personally dont care to learn another package manager so being able to use yum woulda been nice :/ also i find it quite useless to learn a package manager specific to one distro that i dont even feel like using as my main distro...

honestly it was a simple question out of curiosity, if i was mistaken then its not hard to say so, they decided to flame and get pissy though so meh i found it funny

i have even less interest in opensuse now though... some people should watch how they portray the community of their distro
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i like the crunchbang community so far its pretty useful and nice no matter what distro you use lol

and transhour if you use a debian system its useful to know both dpkg and apt, i dont know much dpkg stuff but i do know a bit with it... and it can grab packages from your repo and install them the same as apt, just requires a full package name with the version number and .deb extension and all that not just the short package name

and all i knew is that opensuse uses rpm packages, and ive heard people talk about using yum on opensuse before but ive also been told you cant use yum on opensuse, so it was easiest just to hop on irc and ask a question to get a simple yes or no lol

i personally dont care to learn another package manager so being able to use yum woulda been nice :/ also i find it quite useless to learn a package manager specific to one distro that i dont even feel like using as my main distro...

honestly it was a simple question out of curiosity, if i was mistaken then its not hard to say so, they decided to flame and get pissy though so meh i found it funny

i have even less interest in opensuse now though... some people should watch how they portray the community of their distro
The interesting thing is that from an end user perspective there really isn't much beyond ordering that differentiates yum or zypper. I know this because Intel can't make up its mind with whether to use zypper or yum for MeeGo. I fear that when 1.2 comes out in April they'll be back to yum again and I'll have to remember where to put the "-"s. But if you don't need a package manager why not just use "rpm -i" with your own fetched packages? Granted. I find it difficult to get rpms that work with MeeGo.

But I do feel like they simply viewed you as a troll which is unfortunate. I'm quite sure that you would have received similar responses from the Fedora people if you had asked about zypper and sounded disappointed that you couldn't use it.

In truth I come to here and you guys first really because you're more helpful. I don't know if it's the fact that there is everyone from Gentoo users to buntus and in between, but this community is often more laid back.
     
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This is quite funny. Yes, the questions could probably be answered by a quick Google search. Having said that, the chat log exposes a few things.

1) That channel is full of insecure fanboys.
2) The chanop does a great job of keeping discussion to "yes" men only (fler asked a n00b question yet didn't receive a beating, so it's got nothing to do with level of knowledge).
3) Your choice of package manager is as much about politics as your choice of distro

In my experience (and this is from OpenSUSE 11.2 mostly, but I think 11.3 as well) zypper/YaST is dog slow. Yum is faster but still not that quick. APT is no faster or slower than Yum but nowhere near as verbose either. Pacman outclasses the rest.
    
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This is quite funny. Yes, the questions could probably be answered by a quick Google search. Having said that, the chat log exposes a few things.

1) That channel is full of insecure fanboys.
2) The chanop does a great job of keeping discussion to "yes" men only (fler asked a n00b question yet didn't receive a beating, so it's got nothing to do with level of knowledge).
3) Your choice of package manager is as much about politics as your choice of distro

In my experience (and this is from OpenSUSE 11.2 mostly, but I think 11.3 as well) zypper/YaST is dog slow. Yum is faster but still not that quick. APT is no faster or slower than Yum but nowhere near as verbose either. Pacman outclasses the rest.
Sums it up pretty damn well, Pacman ftw.
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I think I'm gonna go into #ubuntu on Freenode and ask if someone can provide me an e-build of firefox.
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I had no idea they used zypper, thought it was only yast. But boy, did they get their panties in a bunch. Do they just get pissed because people lump them in with RH distros, or what? Maybe that's why they think of yum as the devil.


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But I do feel like they simply viewed you as a troll which is unfortunate. I'm quite sure that you would have received similar responses from the Fedora people if you had asked about zypper and sounded disappointed that you couldn't use it.
I don't know. I've never run into anyone being that rude in any other distro's stomping grounds.
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really if i was trolling i woulda managed to get kick banned much faster

im a pr0 troll lol
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