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I think I'm gonna go into #ubuntu on Freenode and ask if someone can provide me an e-build of firefox.
doubt they would even know what a e-build is
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I had no idea they used zypper, thought it was only yast.
YaST is a front end to zypper. It's like comparing Synaptic to APT (or APT to dpkg, not entirely sure how high level YaST is).
    
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My understanding of package management is such, correct me if I'm off here...


RPM was once the "Red Hat Package Management" system and is now a recursive acronym for "RPM Package Management". It is a package management system built to install .rpm packages.

yum, zypper, urpmi, apt-rpm, etc. are simply front ends for the RPM package management system.

YaST is not either of these, it is rather a configuration utility for package management.


Similarly to RPM and .rpm, Debian uses the package manager dpkg (which I believe is short for "Debian Package") to install .deb files.

It utilizes front ends such as apt-get, aptitude.

Synaptic is simply a GUI for APT (apt-get, apt-rpm, etc.)


Pacman is similar to dpkg and RPM. It is a package manager and it can also have front ends and GUI's built on it.


So potentially, any system using RPM could use an RPM front end such as yum or zypper (although I'm sure having more than one could likely cause problems).

~Devoid~

P.S.
I feel for the OP. Regardless of anyones level of knowledge of Linux or anyones experiences with different distros/package management, no one should act like those people did (it was not blatant trolling, he was simply asking a question and no one gave him a real answer). That way of acting gives the Linux community as a whole bad rep and doesn't solve anything.

If I wanted to listen to belligerent fanboys telling me I should accept whats installed in MY operating system (an open source one for that matter) cause its better than what I may want to use, I'll buy a Mac and hit up the Apple forums. I'm sure old Mr. Jobs will let me know what programs I want/have to use.
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post #24 of 36
I think they thought your were a troll, looking for fun..

As for the ban... maybe that wasn't the first time somebody logged in to troll on that very same subject


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yum, zypper, urpmi, apt-rpm, etc. are simply front ends for the RPM package management system.

YaST is not either of these, it is rather a configuration utility for package management.
Synaptic is simply a GUI for APT (apt-get, apt-rpm, etc.)
^this

As for pacman, I never heard of that term, besides a big and useful repository...

YasT is a beautiful tool
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As for pacman, I never heard of that term, besides a big and useful repository...
Not 100% sure what that means haha. Assuming your just asking what pacman is? pacman is the package manager for Arch Linux.

If not, don't mind me

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Not 100% sure what that means haha. Assuming your just asking what pacman is? pacman is the package manager for Arch Linux.

If not, don't mind me

~Devoid~
AH.. I see.
Never used arch, but got a bunch of minimalist friends that does


pacman is also the name of a repository, that's all I meant
it usually provides softwares under licenses, like flash...
or that are shipped with outdated versions by distros, if shipped, like vlc...
post #27 of 36
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So potentially, any system using RPM could use an RPM front end such as yum or zypper (although I'm sure having more than one could likely cause problems).
see thats what i thought... i know using two different package managers is a bad idea.. but i thought yum was essentially just an extension and nice tool for rpm package manager, because it does all the same stuff just with much easier syntax... same with dpkg how you use apt-get or aptitude... essentially just using a slightly higher level utility for managing the same package system

i know mixing rpms and debs on the same system will TOTALLY screw you over pretty fast but i figured rpms were just rpms lol

i hear from debian guys, and from centos admins all the time how when ever they try suse they hate the zypper/yast stuff... yum would be a convenient solution


and overall, im not pissed or anything about what happened, i just found it absolutely hilarious that fanbois in that channel were so wound tight all i had to do was ask about yum and say i use debian to score a kickban although i will think twice before i put hard drive space aside for anything novell again
Kinda meh now...
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post #28 of 36
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If I wanted to listen to belligerent fanboys telling me I should accept whats installed in MY operating system (an open source one for that matter) cause its better than what I may want to use, I'll buy a Mac and hit up the Apple forums. I'm sure old Mr. Jobs will let me know what programs I want/have to use.
That's the real issue here. Linux is about freedom and choice, yet apparently you're not allowed to choose with OpenSUSE.
    
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post #29 of 36
Link to chat window? I want to personally ask them if Debian is better
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It's probably just their freenode irc channel, but this isn't 4chan. We don't need to go poke the hornet's nest. Or whatever the least aggressive synonym is. Termite's nest?
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