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^^ you make it sound like we are full of *****?
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Last time I check, Super Mario Bros was developed for PC. Oh wait...
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Sorry, devs run a business, not a non-profit for tech nerds. Until you make enough money to pass out free copies of Windows 7 and Nvidia 480's, you should shush.



You didn't comprehend what I said. Go back, read it again until it makes sense to you. It has a lot to do with your horrible idea of developers trying to force people to upgrade.

As far as devs go, i'm sure not one of them cares about you tech nerds thinking they'll get 'left behind'. They care about making games they can sell, and gameplay ALWAYS sells over graphics. Take Crysis 1 and Metro 2033's sales for example......




I can see why people might be let down a bit but to be pissed off just shows they're immature teens who have their priorities messed up.

And most of what you're saying is a horrible rehash of what WorldExclusive said and I already responded to. Why you'd go around repeating what he JUST said, except only worded worse, is beyond me.
Errr what? Both of those games had some pretty boring gameplay, only thing good about either of those games was the graphics.

How the hell are graphics card companies supposed to sell DX11 cards if barely any games support it? Both game and graphics card companies rely on each other, they are complimentary items.
Start implementing DX11, you'll see an increase in DX11 cards sales. And vice versa.
Economics 101.

And since when did someone need a 480 just to get DX11? Just as simple to get a cheap ass 5770, 450, etc. You don't need a $500 graphics card just forr that. So yeah, great point you madde there.
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How the hell are graphics card companies supposed to sell DX11 cards if barely any games support it?
Because it becomes a standard on all new cards, so devs can eventually use it. Trust me, the game I'm working on now we have to support SM 2.0 (the original DX9, not 9.0c). But if we made the game two years from now we'd probably be ok only supporting SM 3.0, and two years after that XP and DX9 will be so rare that DX9 support will be an afterthought.

Besides, most people buying the newest cards aren't looking at DX11, they're looking for better FPS, and newer cards are faster regardless of DX version.
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Because it becomes a standard on all new cards, so devs can eventually use it. Besides, most people buying the newest cards aren't looking at DX11, they're looking for better FPS, and newer cards are faster regardless of DX version.
Either way, C2 should have been released with all of the features that were promised to us. Bottom line.

Over 70% of steam users have DX10/11 cards, and yet they choose to omit both from the game? (and dont say "o that's just DX9 with a few more features"). Its the principle behind the matter.

At least BF3 will (probably) be doing it right.
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Either way, C2 should have been released with all of the features that were promised to us. Bottom line.

Over 70% of steam users have DX10/11 cards, and yet they choose to omit both from the game? (and dont say "o that's just DX9 with a few more features"). Its the principle behind the matter.

At least BF3 will (probably) be doing it right.
There are (according to video card beakdown) >70% of Steam users that have DX10 or 11 cards, but not all are running Vista/Windows 7. From the hardware surveys, only 56.36% have both the OS and card to do it. Even though a lot of people have DX10 or 11 cards, there are still almost 20% that are not running a DX10/11 OS. Those people would still need to upgrade their OS at least. There are also a lot more people out there that play games that don't use Steam.

They just need to update these consoles quicker. I think that is the only way anything will change on a large scale. We may get the couple games that do everything (BF3..hopefully), but untill new consoles come out I have a feeling nothing will advance.
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Complaining about how the game looks? Look at the last page of the thread. My pics are posted and i used a custom config program

http://www.overclock.net/pc-games/95...rysis-1-a.html
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Errr what? Both of those games had some pretty boring gameplay, only thing good about either of those games was the graphics.
I actually disagree for both games. Crysis 1 was fun and allowed more freedom and openness in how you went about your job. Metro 2033 was VERY closed and had small maps but it told a story and set the atmosphere better than any game I can think of.

But what Crytek did in Crysis 2 was to obviously take out some of that openness (although not NEARLY as closed in as Metro or Half-Life 2 ) in favor of trying to tell a more tailored story.

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How the hell are graphics card companies supposed to sell DX11 cards if barely any games support it? Both game and graphics card companies rely on each other, they are complimentary items.
Start implementing DX11, you'll see an increase in DX11 cards sales. And vice versa.
Economics 101.
Your primary issue is not a problem for Developers. Their first, second and third concerns are sales of GAMES, not GPUs. Nvidia or AMD selling more or less GPUs won't help them in any single way, it will only force them to increase their budget as they have to add MORE staff to accommodate MORE tech.

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And since when did someone need a 480 just to get DX11? Just as simple to get a cheap ass 5770, 450, etc. You don't need a $500 graphics card just forr that. So yeah, great point you madde there.
I've already articulated this 2 or 3 times now so pay attention. If a heavily tessellated benchmark like Unigine/Heaven, with no AI, enemies running around or ANYTHING happening other than you looking at the scenery, causes almost every single GPU to max out in the 20-fps range, what do you think would happen with 5-10 soldiers shooting at you as you shoot back and run for cover? Slideshow. So no, a simple cheap 5770 or 450 won't do b/c Tessellation requires far more of GPUs.

Even with my 5850 O/C'd, Metro 2033 ( super enclosed and small maps ) turns into a slideshow when I throw a grenade and the particles spread out from the blast.

And as we've seen with Crysis 1, slideshows may look pretty but they detract from the game.
    
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That's what they all say.
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Obvious console port is obvious.

Oh, and to the guys that are waiting for the DX11 patch....
Keep waiting. Nvidia pulled Crysis 2 off their DX11 games list. If that doesn't tell you anything about the future DX11 of Crysis 2, well then I feel sorry for you.
The game looks awesome in DX9 as it is. To me, DX11 would be a bonus since gameplay > graphics.

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Honestly, out of all the games I have purchased in the last month, I can say I AM impressed with the Crysis 2 engine, graphics, and story line, I have played for 8 hours and I am still not even done with the story. I have not a single problem with the graphics either, it just sucks how we were having trouble accessing the MP, but other then that, the GAME is great, great GFX, great story, great developers. This game is unique for sure.
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In bold you have pretty much summed up what's wrong with PC gaming, at least from my perspective. I like having pretty games; I like having games that consoles cannot even dream of running.

But one thing I hate is this sucker mentality that you have to spend every cent you earn just be to be able to pc game at all. I do not desire games I cannot run well on my hardware, and I neither spend a fortune on my hardware nor do I skimp on it. My system can crack basically everything at my resolution, yet I've spent less than a grand on my complete build.

PC gaming shouldn't be a $2000 a year habit, yet if you watch these boards you'll see people spending much more than that on an annual basis, even though there is no justifiable reason for doing so. I didn't go to school and work hard just to keep ati and nividia in business and I don't understand the extreme consumerism that revolves around PC gaming.

If you have thousands of dollars to constantly upgrade your PC, great have a blast doing it, but don't get mad when no games on the market justify your obsessive compulsive spending habits.

Being angry that a game looks great and runs even better is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard, especially if you are sitting on a $200-300+ gpu.
True indeed.

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::looks at your system...scrolls past your comment::
What's wrong with his system?

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What do you mean? Its more fun to use power in Crysis 2 as you can do 3 things a once vs 1 in Crysis. One thing i noticed is speed is much slower in Crysis 2.
Agree, it was annoying trying to switch between the different modes in Crysis. I like the integration much more, only complaint is that speed is slower than Crysis but I can live with that

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I'm so tired of hearing about it being a console port. Let me give you guys a clue real quick, unless you haven't figured it out by now:
PC Games make a small fraction of their console counterparts. So get used to "console ports", because PCs are an afterthought for many developers. Not because developers dislike PCs, it's because developing for PCs costs more, takes more time and makes less profit. While developers may be willing to take the time to take care of the PC end of things, the publisher couldn't give a rat's ***, they only care about profit.

The exception of course are games that haven't found their way onto consoles, yet. Like many MMOs, RTSs, and other games that really don't do well without a keyboard and mouse, which consoles haven't adopted as standard equipment yet. These games are still making much more on the PC.

Also, please learn the definition of a console port.
Console ports are when a game is coded entirely for a console, and then converted over to PC. In the case of Crysis 2, the engine it uses will allow for content to be made for all platforms simultaneously. Now, maybe the options and textures, etc, were made with a console's performance in mind more than a PC, but that doesn't make it a port.
True again, doubt that MMOs and RTSs would ever get as much success on consoles, so, at least those would remain pc exclusive

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Just face it, ******IF****** Crysis 2 is a port to you or consolized, blame your fellow PC players who pirated Crysis 1

Just shows that the haters don't even play, just repeat what they heard from someone else.

No, the DEMO said press start b/c the DEMO was for both the 360 & PC. You can tell b/c the aiming and recoil on PC is vastly increased from the Demo. Its much harder to control the gun now.

If you hate the perk system so much, why don't you just play the PRO version? No perks, no radar, no HUD.
Agree, blame the pirates not Crytek. They are a company first and foremost and have to do what's best for the company. The recoil has definitely increased and the game can get pretty intense. AI seems better than crysis in some aspects and headshots seems that much more awesome PRO? You mean the extreme difficulty?

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What a dick. Don't get personal with me. I'm a business owner, good luck with your job search, wouldn't hire you for the "Spin" department if I owned Crytek. Yeah, I'm an elitist when compared to you. I've lived on my own since my freshman year in college, over ten years ago. It's fine to debate PC tech, but don't get personal with people you rather not know personally.

No more conversations between us.
Thought I'll comment on this considering I was reading it from my perspective. From what I understood from your comment and his comment, it seems to me that you were talking about upgrading a lot. Considering the cost of upgrading, he probably considered that you had money to spare and thought that the likely case was that you were on the younger side living with your parents, so, you didn't have to worry about rent, etc.... otherwise you might be less inclined to spend

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Can u guys just make up, OCN is not about fighting with each other, but about tech and sharing knowledge, if u don't like what some one says don't bash on them, just move on
You must mean the old OCN? Where've you been, things have changed!
    
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