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Continue arguing with yourself since no one but you has any problem understanding the concept that an OC'd card is better than a card that isn't.
Ok. You know, at first I assumed you were purposely acting stupid and just trolling. I can see now that you actually don't understand what's really being talked about here. I feel a little better knowing this.
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I mentioned the 580 which the 590 uses.

No you're not allowed to apparently since they're "fundamentally" different.. lol
If I'm following this correctly, what Plex is saying is that you can't compare them clock for clock, due to the architectural differences.

Like a 6990 @ 950 vs 590 @ 950.

That's why I bring up their potential OC from reviews, and use this example:

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We can then compare a 6990 @ 940 vs a 590 @ 840, and see what types of FPS they produce.
Eventhough it's a 100 MHZ difference, it doesn't matter, because we're not comparing clocks, but rather what types of FPS each card produces at the OC'ed clocks each card is capable of.
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If I'm following this correctly, what Plex is saying is that you can't compare them clock for clock.

Like a 6990 @ 950 vs 590 @ 950.

That's why I bring up their potential OC from reviews, and use this example:



Eventhough it's a 100 MHZ difference, it doesn't matter, because we're not comparing clocks, but rather what types of FPS each card produces at those clocks.
Ding ding ding!

Winner winner! +rep for having a brain
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Guys, let's try to calm down and respect each other. I'm seeing a lot of negativity in this thread, specifically from a certain group of people. I stated this before, this is my last warning. Please don't make me have to report people. Let's keep it civil and friendly, please.
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I don't care how well the 6990 does against the 590 with STOCK clocks. Who uses stock clocks anyway?

They most likely only kept the clocks this low so that it wouldn't surpass the 375w TDP of the 6990.

Give it a good working over overclocking wise and I'm sure we'll see MUCH improvement.
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What does the 6990 get with the same settings used in the video for AVP?
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I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised if and when the 590 comes in looking slower than the 6990. Don't you think that having the 607 clocks vs the 772 stock clocks of the 580's has anything to do with it? That's a 21% downclock, and if all things are equal, the 590 SHOULD be 21% slower than 580 SLI.

Nvidia HAD to downclock this beast to get a 365W TDP, as those 580 chips are power hungry, everyone knows this.

But what if it's true that it overclocks really well, and can overclock to 840, even just 800 clocks? This will paint a very different picture.

I don't think anyone buying the 590 is going to run it at stock clocks, heck, a lot will likely put it under water, and will most likely go well beyond 800.

This is the same thing that happened with the 470, in all reviews it seems slow due to its 607 stock clocks, yet, most of them are easily capable of 800 clocks, and that is being conservative, as some can do up to 900 and beyond under water.

At the 800 clocks, it matches 570 stock performance, which most 470's can do.

I'm sure there will be reviews that have the 590 at stock and overclocked, which will paint a picture of what the 590 is TRULY capable of.
Yes but GTX470 ran stock and overcloked extremely hot. Water can solve everything but that not the point. GTX4XX were amazing card under water but not so good in air. Also not many will go water since it requires a lot more money to do so at least $400 for the loop which is not cheap and even if they have $700 for the card in 6 months if will be no good. In short the card should be compared what it can do out of the box. Also i have a bad felling about the cooler, It looks very small.
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I can't wait for a direct comparison between 6990 and GTX590 from a reputable review site.

I would also like to know whether it is granted for every GTX590 to reach stock GTX 580 clocks.
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I don't care how well the 6990 does against the 590 with STOCK clocks. Who uses stock clocks anyway?

They most likely only kept the clocks this low so that it wouldn't surpass the 375w TDP of the 6990.

Give it a good working over overclocking wise and I'm sure we'll see MUCH improvement.
This! I posted something to that effect in a different thread, though you nailed it in not so many words.

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I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised if and when the 590 comes in looking slower than the 6990. Don't you think that having the 607 clocks vs the 772 stock clocks of the 580's has anything to do with it? That's a 21% downclock, and if all things are equal, the 590 SHOULD be 21% slower than 580 SLI.

Nvidia HAD to downclock this beast to get a 365W TDP, as those 580 chips are power hungry, everyone knows this.

But what if it's true that it overclocks really well, and can overclock to 840, even just 800 clocks? This will paint a very different picture.

I don't think anyone buying the 590 is going to run it at stock clocks, heck, a lot will likely put it under water, and will most likely go well beyond 800.

This is the same thing that happened with the 470, in all reviews it seems slow due to its 607 stock clocks, yet, most of them are easily capable of 800 clocks, and that is being conservative, as some can do up to 900 and beyond under water.

At the 800 clocks, it matches 570 stock performance, which most 470's can do.

I'm sure there will be reviews that have the 590 at stock and overclocked, which will paint a picture of what the 590 is TRULY capable of.
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I can't wait for a direct comparison between 6990 and GTX590 from a reputable review site.

I would also like to know whether it is granted for every GTX590 to reach stock GTX 580 clocks.
With it's poor power phase design and reference cooling i can't see it happening.

Wait for the non reference cards and coolers im sure it will be unlocked to it's full potential
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