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I wont buy any of these cards, only if:

-I win the lottery
-A 590 or a 6990 get no more than 60 fps on a single monitor (1920x1080)(no vsync) on most of the games
    
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... third ... i think your cpu would bottleneck the 590 smile.gif
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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth;12786446 
Ouch, ATI.

Not really. Since when are we saying ''ouch'' when using old drivers not even supporting a new card, or BETA drivers? The card came out 1 week ago, not 4 months ago like the 580. So those are useless videos and bencharks.

Wait for proper drivers.

''Yes but AMD drivers sucks so much FAIL blah blah blah Nvidia so much better drivers blah blah blah I had so many problem with a 3xxx card 8 years ago so much FAIL!''.

I remember some card-killers drivers a couple of months ago, and they were not from AMD. smile.gif

And who will be the first to talk about the limiters Nvidia will put on their 590 to be sure they don't melt while runinng Furmark? LOL! Limiters! And blocking fan-speed at 85% for the noise!

Sneaky little tricks Nvidia.
Edited by Levesque - 3/19/11 at 8:07am
    
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... third ... i think your cpu would bottleneck the 590 smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Levesque;12789503 
Not really. Since when are we saying ''ouch'' when using old drivers not even supporting a new card, or BETA drivers? The card came out 1 week ago, not 4 months ago like the 580. So those are useless videos and bencharks.

Wait for proper drivers.

''Yes but AMD drivers sucks so much FAIL blah blah blah Nvidia so much better drivers blah blah blah I had so many problem with a 3xxx card 8 years ago so much FAIL!''.

I remember some card-killers drivers a couple of months ago, and they were not from AMD. smile.gif

And who will be the first to talk about the limiters Nvidia will put on their 590 to be sure they don't melt while runinng Furmark? LOL! Limiters! And blocking fan-speed at 85% for the noise!

Sneaky little tricks Nvidia.

With Nvidia we don't have to wait for proper drivers, sir. Each driver is an upgrade. And driver support is usually awesome with each release. We don't spew bullcrap about oh wait for proper drivers. AMD released a card to market with subpar drivers so you can't bench it yet. Get real.

And also the funny thing about "blocking" fan speed over 85% has nothing to do with noise, do you think it's good for a fan to routinely spin to 5k RPM, then have to warrant it to idiot kids who think more fan speed is better. Please watch some reviews and LISTEN to what you're beloved 6 series AMD card sound like you biased fanboi.

I went from a 6870 which sounded HORRENDOUS at 50% fan and did a crap job of cooling my overclock to a GTX 570 which can spin to 65% while being quieter than my case fans. Something that the whining, whirring, buzzing 6870 couldn't do at even 45% fans.

Seriously. If you know nothing about what 500 series cards sound like then kindly shut your mouth. The 6870 I had was a reference design and was possibly the WORST choice I could have made for my first build.
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Originally Posted by Levesque;12789503 
Not really. Since when are we saying ''ouch'' when using old drivers not even supporting a new card, or BETA drivers? The card came out 1 week ago, not 4 months ago like the 580. So those are useless videos and bencharks.

Wait for proper drivers.

''Yes but AMD drivers sucks so much FAIL blah blah blah Nvidia so much better drivers blah blah blah I had so many problem with a 3xxx card 8 years ago so much FAIL!''.

I remember some card-killers drivers a couple of months ago, and they were not from AMD. smile.gif

And who will be the first to talk about the limiters Nvidia will put on their 590 to be sure they don't melt while runinng Furmark? LOL! Limiters! And blocking fan-speed at 85% for the noise!

Sneaky little tricks Nvidia.

Don't even start with "wait for the proper drivers" tale. 6990 is exactly the same as 6970 CF and they were around a looooong time to get the drivers right.

As for the limiters, lol. Nvidia has an anti Firmark limiter in place, which doesn't do anything in real life usage. What's the PowerTune then in your opinion? And yeah, it will cause throttling not only in burn tests, but in any other app as well once you push the card hard enough.

I get a feeling the only reason AMD made the PowerTune is to create an illusion of higher OC potential, cause with it's help you can achieve higher clock that would appear stable, cause when there's a negative scenario it will throttle the card preventing overheating and over stressing vrms than would cause a crash otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Nowyn;12789887 
I get a feeling the only reason AMD made the PowerTune is to create an illusion of higher OC potential, cause with it's help you can achieve higher clock that would appear stable, cause when there's a negative scenario it will throttle the card preventing overheating and over stressing vrms than would cause a crash otherwise.

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nVIDIA was forced to rule out a dual GPU because of the HD6970 being so close in terms of absolute price/performance ratios, and the HD6990 again blowing out to dust the GTX580.

They attempted to... And they lost to it. The GF110 core is too damn hot to be dual fit onto a single PCB.


The HD6990 will beat the GTX590 due to bigger memory size, lower heat output and higher core performance at stock speeds.
   
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The GF110 core is too damn hot to be dual fit onto a single PCB.
That's why they're releasing 2 GF110s in the 590 on March 24?
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The HD6990 will beat the GTX590
That's why 2 570s already beat a 6990 and 580s are in the 590?
Try again.
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nVIDIA was forced to rule out a dual GPU because of the HD6970 being so close in terms of absolute price/performance ratios, and the HD6990 again blowing out to dust the GTX580.

They attempted to... And they lost to it. The GF110 core is too damn hot to be dual fit onto a single PCB.


The HD6990 will beat the GTX590 due to bigger memory size, lower heat output and higher core performance at stock speeds.

1) So we talk about the 6990 beating a single card. Score one for AMD. Oh wait. No points awarded for 2 > 1. Especially when we can just turn around and show 2 570s in SLi beating the 6990 most of the time. We don't even need SLi 580s.

2) How in the hell did Nvidia already lose to the jet engine (hot AND loud) 6990 when it's not even out yet? GF110 is cool enough as long as your case doesn't have crap for airflow. With a 130MHz overclock my 570 doesn't peak over 65*C with 65% fan, while remaining QUIET.

3) What difference does stock clock make? the 6970s are already clocked at 880MHz and get spanked by 580s at 772MHz. Irrelevant point is irrelevant. Just imagine running your Phenom II x6 @ stock 2.8GHz. Will it be slower than a stock 1100T? Yes, but only when both are at their respective stock speeds.

The whole arguments over the Fermi cards always point to moot points such as power consumption and heat. If you can't supply the proper power and cooling then get out of the kitchen. The high end market isn't made for people with $50 PSUs and a cramped mid tower case. You want something to work as it's designed to? Get the right components and stop bickering about how much energy the fastest single GPU card draws and accept that no matter how much it draws it's still faster than AMD's top single GPU offering.
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