Originally Posted by Riou
The negativity from some review sites is likely because 580 GPUs are faster than AMD's 6970 GPUs. Nvidia couldn't find a way to consistently best a 6990 despite using faster 580 GPUs in its 590.
This should not happen:
It is the potential of the 590 being the letdown more so than the results against the competitor. Perhaps people were hoping Nvidia could somehow keep power consumption and temps in check while giving near 580 SLI performance.
The reason that happens is because of this:
Originally Posted by ReignsOfPower
So 3% slower relative performance at 2560x1600. That's worth it considering this
I mean comeon, Idle vs Max fan speed on the 590 was barely any louder. I'd run it at full almost all the time! I know my 5970 @ even 40-50% fan is a pain to listen to.
The BIGGEST and ONLY complaint of the 6990 is because it's too loud. Every single review for the 6990 says it. In fact, several reviews said it would not dream
of buying a 6990 because it's too loud. It's in their reviews, Toms Hardware and HardOCP said they would not buy a 6990 at all just because of the sound.
Personally, I'm indifferent about sound: I don't care.
BUT - it's fairly clear that Nvidia purposely slowed down the 590 to make it so it's MUCH LESS noiser, nullifying the single worst problem of the 6990 while it still keeps on par performance
. I called it - the 590 would be within the ballpark of the 6990 in performance even without high clocks.
Yet almost every review disregards this. I call total garbage at that, and of course people are going to nitpick that one sentence and be like "the 590 is so much fail" like people have been doing exactly as such in this thread because they see the 590 getting ~5 FPS less in games.
The logic is broken.
Originally Posted by HAVO
All this "reviews" are weird; they say the card fail, that it cant outwin the 6990 and yet in their OWN reviews they trade blows.. I dont get it :S
this card obviously have flaws, same as the 6990 but they look bigger than what it is (except the card "exploited" what?? really?? :O )
Same as the launch of the fermi cards; i got 1 on launch day and the horror history didnt (still dont) match what every talked about those cards
ONLY the community reviews ( like OCN or extreme systems ) im going to trust from now on
I agree. Although, judging by half this thread I wouldn't trust anyone who doesnt actually have the card itself because most of the people bashing the card don't have the slightest clue. They just care about the "throne" statement.
Originally Posted by AgentHydra
I'd say the 590 is a complete success. It has similar performance to a 6990 while being smaller, quieter, more power efficient, and it costs the same price.
Exactly, although power efficient is questionable in all the reviews.
Originally Posted by The_Punisher
Srsly? Hey let me go buy a gtx 590 for single screen 1920x1080! Makes sense right?
Actually it does make perfect sense. I did.
The following applies to both 590 and the 6990:
Pay $730 for a card that does just as good as SLi cards, slightly negligible differences in some games that aren't worth the $250+ extra for 2-10 more FPS in performance. If you think $250+ for 10FPS is worth it, you're completely insane and irrational when it comes to money. For the 6990, the difference is even smaller.
That's with stock clocks too, no overclocking, and beta drivers.
Throw in space requirements, and by that I mean things like PCI slots - you're taking up a buttload of realestate and computer ability.
Throw in watercooling, and you've got double if not triple
the price tag for SLi/Crossfire compared to this. And higher temps
, especially when you include the additional pull and stress on the pump. You might need to actually buy an additional pump for the loop, almost quadrupling the price when you toss in fittings too.
Originally Posted by gsa700
So here is something we can all agree on: SLI and/or Crossfire is a better, cooler, cheaper, and quieter solution than either of these cards.
False. SLi or Crossfire is not cheaper and very debatable. Having 2 580s for $1000 is $250+ more than the 590. And for what? 10FPS difference, with an underclocked
set of GPUs?
On AMD's side, you have can get a crossfire set that performs similar to the 6990 - perhaps a tad
bit better - for the same price roughly. But again, with an underclocked GPU clocks and beta drivers.
Throw in watercooling and all 4
of those statements are completely and utterly incorrect. Especially cheaper and cooler most of all
Honestly both cards are so close to each other it all comes down to preference and price.
agreed 210%. I mean, I'm biased for the GTX590 because I bought it but even with the slight differences in some games - I'm not a tad bit disappointed. Everything I predicted was true: both cards perform extremely similar and whether you go green or red, they're both good cards with negligible differences when you add everything together.Edited by OmegaNemesis28 - 3/24/11 at 11:01am