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Originally Posted by OmegaNemesis28 View Post
The reason that happens is because of this:



The BIGGEST and ONLY complaint of the 6990 is because it's too loud. Every single review for the 6990 says it. In fact, several reviews said it would not dream of buying a 6990 because it's too loud. It's in their reviews, Toms Hardware and HardOCP said they would not buy a 6990 at all just because of the sound.

Personally, I'm indifferent about sound: I don't care.
BUT - it's fairly clear that Nvidia purposely slowed down the 590 to make it so it's MUCH LESS noiser, nullifying the single worst problem of the 6990 while it still keeps on par performance. I called it - the 590 would be within the ballpark of the 6990 in performance even without high clocks.

Yet almost every review disregards this. I call total garbage at that, and of course people are going to nitpick that one sentence and be like "the 590 is so much fail" like people have been doing exactly as such in this thread because they see the 590 getting ~5 FPS less in games.
The logic is broken.



I agree. Although, judging by half this thread I wouldn't trust anyone who doesnt actually have the card itself because most of the people bashing the card don't have the slightest clue. They just care about the "throne" statement.



Exactly, although power efficient is questionable in all the reviews.



Actually it does make perfect sense. I did.

The following applies to both 590 and the 6990:

Pay $730 for a card that does just as good as SLi cards, slightly negligible differences in some games that aren't worth the $250+ extra for 2-10 more FPS in performance. If you think $250+ for 10FPS is worth it, you're completely insane and irrational when it comes to money. For the 6990, the difference is even smaller.
That's with stock clocks too, no overclocking, and beta drivers.

Throw in space requirements, and by that I mean things like PCI slots - you're taking up a buttload of realestate and computer ability.

Throw in watercooling, and you've got double if not triple the price tag for SLi/Crossfire compared to this. And higher temps, especially when you include the additional pull and stress on the pump. You might need to actually buy an additional pump for the loop, almost quadrupling the price when you toss in fittings too.



False. SLi or Crossfire is not cheaper and very debatable. Having 2 580s for $1000 is $250+ more than the 590. And for what? 10FPS difference, with an underclocked set of GPUs?
On AMD's side, you have can get a crossfire set that performs similar to the 6990 - perhaps a tad bit better - for the same price roughly. But again, with an underclocked GPU clocks and beta drivers.

Throw in watercooling and all 4 of those statements are completely and utterly incorrect. Especially cheaper and cooler most of all



agreed 210%. I mean, I'm biased for the GTX590 because I bought it but even with the slight differences in some games - I'm not a tad bit disappointed. Everything I predicted was true: both cards perform extremely similar and whether you go green or red, they're both good cards with negligible differences when you add everything together.
Biased? Really? At the very least you should consider they aren't even using the 880 bios setting. Which in my opinion is the true "stock" setting. They only had to underclock because of the PCIexpress power req.
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Cpu bottleneck much, They did mention this with one gtx 590 so in sli i think the limitation is the cpu not the drivers. I mean even the worst drivers would not make sli perform worse than a dingle card
I'm not sure about other resolutions, but seeing Surround Vision in Quad-SLI, drivers were a problem and not the cpu. But it could be a different scenario at at a lower res. Although if you aren't using it with Surround Vision, something is wrong
post #263 of 458
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Lol... Not using the "OC" switch on the 6990 is plain silly. That is the true "stock" setting. 880 is stock for 6970. I'm expecting the 6990 to OC @ 1000 easily under water cooling.

These reviews are garbage.
"Easily" is a very strong word to describe such achievement ... you have no clue how your card will scale ... there are walls when overclocking that will keep you back, even if you keep increasing voltage!

Btw, what's the max safe voltage for a 6990 ?
post #264 of 458
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Lol, thats not even the release driver, the release driver is up to 267.84 for the GTX 590.

I wonder if some of these numbers would change, using those drivers, considering I got huge boost in games at the 267.31/267.59 change.
yes, they used an unofficial driver just to be the first to review the card and oc-ed it to hell.
    
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Lol... Not using the "OC" switch on the 6990 is plain silly. That is the true "stock" setting. 880 is stock for 6970. I'm expecting the 6990 to OC @ 1000 easily under water cooling.

These reviews are garbage.
This review used the 6990 overclocked vs the GTX 590 stock

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._11.html#sect0

And at the end he even says he doesn't see a clear winner. In fact you will find a few reviews that used the 880Mhz clock speed.

By the way. This is from this review as well

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Now I want to add a few words about overclocking. The Radeon HD 6990’s cooling was too inefficient to hope for good overclocking, so I could only speed its GPUs up to 910 MHz. The memory frequency could be lifted up from 5000 to 6000 MHz, though, which is very good for a dual-GPU graphics card. As for the GeForce GTX 590, my sample could be overclocked from its default 607/1215/3414 to 725/1450/3940 MHz.

Edited by saulin - 3/24/11 at 1:18pm
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I'm not sure about other resolutions, but seeing Surround Vision in Quad-SLI, drivers were a problem and not the cpu. But it could be a different scenario at at a lower res. Although if you aren't using it with Surround Vision, something is wrong
Imagine 4 way sli with either of these! 8 gpu's perhaps that would make a high end cpu sweat.
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Imagine 4 way sli with either of these! 8 gpu's perhaps that would make a high end cpu sweat.
Haha, that's when the SR-2/3 rolls into place and takes over
post #268 of 458
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good card but the 6990 lays a Bashing!
Trading blows = a bashing?

GTX 590:
-Cooler
-Quieter
-Consumes less power(Shocking, I know)

6990:
-5% faster

While Nvidia didn't take the performance crown, at least at stock settings, I would hardly call this a beating by AMD.

Its definitely a wash.
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Lol ppl just keep arguing thru pages. If you had money, just buy whichever card u like (from your favorite maker) and be done with it. If u can't afford these high end cards, then u should just read the reviews for infos instead of argue.
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If someone would please put together a google spreadsheet of the two cards at the different resolutions from each of the review sources that would be great.
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