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This is the first time I have been able to see OCN and the #1 team in the same window without scrolling down. This is huge for us! I'm not even sure we were even 1000th when we started.
I joined this team in May 2010 and then we had fewer than 200 million points and less that 100 total members. Now we have just shy of 2 Billion points and over 400 registered members. That's just an insane amount of growth. I try to run my main rigs 24/7 if i can. If we can get more members to do the same then we can make some of the bigger teams afraid of us. We are relatively a small team compared to some, but our ppd speaks volumes about what we can do when we work together. Our first several BGB events blow away our numbers we are putting out now. I know that the idea of winning a prize is nice, but how can we say that we really dedicated our time to the BGB event when you can turn your machine on for say 4 hours and put out enough work to meet the minimum requirements to win something. I think we'd get a lot more work done if we raised the bar. make the minimum amount a lot higher, or find a way to log total cpu time or gpu time invested in the work units completed during the event. if we measured time invested and not points contributed then we can come up with a more fair number. I don't even know if its possible. Guys tell me what you think. I'm just laying it out so i can get some ideas going around in our team. Good luck guys. I hope to see you in a BGB event in the future.
    
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a lot more people would probably make the time mark but not the ppd mark since cpu's put out less points than a gpu. that way more people could enter. i dunno. just throwing ideas around. someone gimme some feed back.
    
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i like raising the bar and making people work harder to get a prize but im not sure how we can do it i dont thk any one but acount holders can see how much time a work unit took.
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good point.... will have to think on that for a bit.
    
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Looking at the results from BGB5 I think the minimum should be raised to at least 10,000 pts.

Also, prizes should be tiered. Example:

Users getting between 10,000-50,000 pts are eligible for prize "A"
Users getting between 50,000-100,000 pts are eligible for prize "B"
users getting over 100,000 pts are eligible for grand prize "C"

Something along those lines
Edited by strap624 - 3/24/11 at 2:32pm
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thats a good idea. we maybe need to compile a list and take a vote or something. these are good ideas, keep them coming guys!
    
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tiered prizes should be a must makes users work harder and put a effort to get it.
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Also, prizes should be tiered. Example:

Users getting between 10,000-50,000 pts are eligible for prize "A"
Users getting between 50,000-100,000 pts are eligible for prize "B"
users getting over 100,000 pts are eligible for grand prize "C"

Something along those lines
I agree, but ppd needs to be higher. Look at the results from BGB5 HERE and you can see the ppd required for the tiered prizes can and should be higher. More like:

Users getting between 50,000-150,000 pts are eligible for prize "A"
Users getting between 150,000-300,000 pts are eligible for prize "B"
users getting over 300,000 pts are eligible for grand prize "C"
Users only crunching CPU WUs and above 1000pts are eligible for prize "D".

50K is a good minimum requirement for GPU WUs and is easily achieved by any GPU running 24/7 over a 48hour period.
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Okay, so I'm commenting on the posts as I go through them, I do not mean to be ignoring your posts if you replied to something mentioned before your post was entered.

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I started this team in May 2010
Actually no...it was the collective effort of many members that persuaded OCN management to allow a BOINC team named after the forum.

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if we measured time invested and not points contributed then we can come up with a more fair number.
While it is possible and would be a great thing to do, unfortunately the time and effort needed to actually go about and do the work needed to compile those numbers are absurd.

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i dont thk any one but acount holders can see how much time a work unit took.
If you do set your account settings to allow public viewing of the computers you use to crunch (show your computer information: CPU, GPU, Ram, etc), anyone that goes onto the projects' site and searches for you can see all the tasks.

Also following up on this time issue, some projects delete the log of the completed work unit very quickly and thus this will also be a limiting factor in the time vs. credit talk.

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prizes should be tiered.
I do exercise the tiered prizes option when necessary. BGB4, where we had $100, $50 and $25 required different amounts of credit to be eligible for was an example of that.

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we maybe need to compile a list and take a vote or something.
I support this idea of voting on a tiered systems' requirement

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tiered prizes should be a must makes users work harder and put a effort to get it.
Could also discourage some users of even trying out BOINC to begin with if they are set too high

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Originally Posted by un-nefer View Post
50K is a good minimum requirement for GPU WUs and is easily achieved by any GPU running 24/7 over a 48hour period.
Maybe cards that some would call "real graphics cards" would be able to do that but when you look at stuff like a Geforce 210 or something alone that performance line, I could imagine that a card like that would struggle to even break a 5 digit credit score in a 48 hour period.


Overall, it seems that there is some great brainstorming going on over how to tier prizes. I believe that the tiered system works best because (not implying that anyone does this) having someone jump on to crunch just 1,000 credit (the current min to be eligible) to win Thermal Paste or Modern Warfare 2 on Steam (the two prizes of BGB5) is a bit unfair since thermal paste is valued around $5 and Modern Warfare was worth much more than that. We can continue to discuss on this matter of the tiers and what credit would be deemed acceptable for the tiers. I see that we have "A" "B" "C" "D" levels. Let's start by putting dollar figures on these. Example: A is stuff over $100. Let's just start with that and then after we have decided on a proper tier system, we can begin working on what credit is needed. I don't want this to be a quickly made thing, so with the BGB6 coming up next month, it will still operate under the old rule (1,000 credit crunched for team OCN AND didn't win a prize in a previous BGB unless there is high value prize in which i will determine a number that i seem fit). I will set a goal for this tier system to be implemented for BGB7 but this could be changed depending on how our discussion progresses
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my 8800gt could get 35-50k on aquamark if i recall and its about same speed as a 220.
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