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then everyone turns their computers off when the event is over ?
It if were everyone we would have very low credit on the 18th and 19th (due to slow work validators).

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I am not sure bgb is furthering our cause if we all shut down the next couple days after an event
BGB furthurs our cause. You just don't see it reflected on the stats because the members that stick around don't put up top 5 credits.

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thats what i complain about. why be part of the team if you are just here for the prizes?
Some members live in areas where electricity is expensive so they can't be leaving their rigs BOINCing a lot. BGB gives them an outlet where they can still contribute and earn a prize in the process.

Plus you are making the assumption that many people care about prizes. I've had it occur a few times where members have declined a prize because they didn't want a prize period.

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i thought it was a 220 that was a rebrand of the 8880gt maybe its the 250 im not that caught up on nv cards now days.
GTS250 seems more correct.

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Maybe change the prizes such that:
Lets say hypothetically you have three prizes. Select three people at random who have more than xxx BGB points (maybe 10,000?). Look at their monthly or maybe yearly contribution to team, rank them in that order, and let them choose prises in that order? Just a thought.
Sounds like a good idea, but note that you will be favouring those that invested more money and overclocking efforts into their rigs. With this idea a person with 3 high end GPUs crunching 24/7 v.s. someone with a dated rig would favour the person with high end GPUs. My goal here is to make it as fair as possible for everyone.
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Personally, I cannot afford my electric bill. It was $113 last month(although a lot of that was gas from the heater). I can't imagine what it would be if I was folding 24/7
That's why we have BGB events - so you everyone can afford to join in and BOINC for OCN for a couple of days a month

Also, it is not expensive to run a rig for just those 2 days for the BGB event. Most would be lucky use $6 of electricity BOINC 24/7 over the two days - so cost is no excuse

Even if you had dual 5850's and an overclocked GPU all running flatout for a BGB event, and your rig was pulling 750W from the wall, it would still cost you less then $10 for the two days of BGB.

750 Watts X 48 Hours = 36kWh of electricity

If you paid $0.25 per 1kWh of electricity, then:
36kWh x $0.25 = $9.00

And considering almost all prizes donated have been worth more then $10, it is worth taking part just for a chance to win a prize to - if you win it basically covers your electricity costs
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I agree that the few days do not contribute to the bill much.

I'm not sure how it is in other areas, but the California utilities I've used have it set up such that you're given an allotment based on your location/house type/size. Up to that allotment you pay little for power. Any power used above that but below 130% (of that allotment) is billed at 1.5 rate. Any power used above that but below 200% is billed at 2x rate. Above that is like 3x or something.

I can run when I'm on the computer, but 24x7 would push my household up into the 300% zone. I am building a rig to leave at my office though . . .
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my 8800gt could get 35-50k on aquamark if i recall and its about same speed as a 220.
8800GT is roughly 2.5X the speed of a GT220 in terms of raw computing power, which would translate to ~2.5X the PPD.

The most similar performing card to an 8800GT would be a 9800GT. A handful of re-branded 8800GTs still made on the 65nm manufacture process were sold as 9800GTs. Most 9800GTs were 55nm.


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Regarding the premise that the reward should be based on effort rather than results.... Bad idea. Life's not fair. Try to get used to it. The unintended consequences are never foreseen by the great implementers of "fairness."

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post #25 of 57
I am starting to see the wisdom in this BGB thing, maybe I will shut down all my computers and only boinc during the BGB events and hopefully I will win a prize.
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Personally, I dont BGB or FaT for prizes. I do it for the fun of the competition. Our electric bill is already over $300, and I only run Boinc for 2 or 3 nights of the week, and maybe a day or two.

I did win a prize during my 3rd or 4th FaT, but it was just an Overclocked account, which I think is awesome. So it is a very nice incentive to be able to win a prize, even if it is really worth any money.

The main problem is, is that we are dealing with people. We are opportunists. And if we think we can get something for free with little effort, why not. It happens everyday with people "milking" the system trying to get a free ride. I am sure no one thinks, "Hey, I can win $20 for just turning on Boinc for 10 mins, and then turning it back off", but I am sure lots do participate for just the prizes.

Ibew112 and Darkryder, your contributions are greatly appreciated. Not to just us, but to the scientists who are needing this research. I just wish I could crunch like you guys, but I do not have the same circumstances as you, Im sure. I am lucky I was able to afford to build this rig, let alone any more.

So I will continue to crunch/fold to my liking, regardless of any prizes, events, or because "I am suppose too". But I will be in the next BGB/Fat, and continue crunching/folding when I can, just because I want to.
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I am starting to see the wisdom in this BGB thing, maybe I will shut down all my computers and only boinc during the BGB events and hopefully I will win a prize.
Prizes are given out at random. Whether you crunch or not outside of the BGB timeframe has minimal impact (i say minimal because some projects' work units take longer to validate than others, and some may validate during the BGB event, giving you the credit that is applied to your BGB total).

If you're really "starting to see the wisdom in this BGB thing", ...
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I am starting to see the wisdom in this BGB thing, maybe I will shut down all my computers and only boinc during the BGB events and hopefully I will win a prize.
love the sarcasm ibew

Sometimes ppl need an incentive, so prizes work for them - and sometimes ppl use other things as incentive to BOINC, there are many reasons tbh:
  • Their friends or family had cancer
  • They want to feel good that they are helping science
  • They like to compete against likeminded ppl and move up the ranks
  • They enjoy the comradery and being part of the OCN team
  • They want to help the OCN team move up the ranks
  • They are interested in seeing how much ppd their rig can do compared to others
  • They leave their rigs on 24/7 anyhoo, so they want to use it to its potential

There are many reason - and no one persons reason should be looked down on or praised compared to another persons reason.

Regardless of the reason, we are still part of a team doing the same thing, and that team will take any member regardless of their reasons

So let's not judge, lets just do - let's get OCN up into the top 20 this years and show that we at OCN have what it takes to take on the big teams
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Bump to continue the discussion of the tiered system.
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we've got some great ideas here. Hope we can come up with a more structured idea that we can all agree on, and find a way to implement this into the next BGB event.
    
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