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Two more dead cards:

tweaktown and pclab.pl

Tweaktown did it on newest drivers too... there's some more observations from them.
good find, dont go over 1000
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Repost, join the debate on the other thread
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oin the debate on the other thread

Otoh, the excuses people come up with are too funny to pass up.
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One company told us they've tested internally at 1.000v and achieved a core clock of 840MHz and a memory clock of 4000MHz QDR.
that should be enough to equal 580 sli or exceed it a little. good enough for me

i'm still putting it on water though.
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Can anyone talk about the MAX overclock for the GTX-590 on STOCK VOLTAGE?

I understand over-volting the card is highly dangerous and there are issues, however, for people who don't want to over-volt, what is a safe OC on stock voltage for the GTX-590?
     
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Can anyone talk about the MAX overclock for the GTX-590 on STOCK VOLTAGE?
I've seen ca. 660 - 690. One was a 705, but it wasn't specified if additional volts have been added or not.
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I've seen ca. 660 - 690. One was a 705, but it wasn't specified if additional volts have been added or not.
i believe 705 was stock volts but fan speed increased.
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that should be enough to equal 580 sli or exceed it a little. good enough for me

i'm still putting it on water though.
GTX580 SLI is 772MHz at default clocks. So 840MHz is well beyond that.
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So staying at 1.0v and below should be safe. +0.025v over stock is Nvidia's safe limit. These VRMs are fragile.
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As it unfolded:

ASUS GeForce GTX 590 3 GB Review - Page 26/27 | techPowerUp
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As a first step, I increased the voltage from 0.938 V default to 1.000 V, maximum stable clock was 815 MHz - faster than GTX 580! Moving on, I tried 1.2 V to see how much could be gained here, at default clocks and with NVIDIA's power limiter enabled. I went to heat up the card and then *boom*, a sound like popcorn cracking, the system turned off and a burnt electronics smell started to fill up the room. Card dead! Even with NVIDIA power limiter enabled. Now the pretty looking, backlit GeForce logo was blinking helplessly and the fan did not spin, both indicate an error with the card's 12V supply.
After talking to several other reviewers, this does not seem to be an isolated case, and many of them have killed their cards with similar testing, which is far from being an extreme test.
http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/03/zotac...-590-review/3/
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Hoping to hit the 10k mark, I decided to bump the voltage to 125mV with Core speeds of 804Mhz. As 3DMark 11 was coming to a close, the whole system shutdown and I could see smoke coming out of the power cable connectors.

As the smell of burnt plastic and metal faded, I contacted Nvidia to try and see what happened. The GTX 590 should have been able to either handle the voltage increase, or simply failed to a BSOD or crashed the system. I certainly didn’t expect it to die on me.
XtremeSystems Forums - View Single Post - GTX 590 reviews
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It's not about the cooling SKYMTL, the PWM is too weak, just as it is on the GTX 570. Two GTX 590 died the same way here, one in our test lab and one in a demo system of a reseller, both not overclocked or overvolted; Nvidia says some faulty components not found on retail parts caused it, but both us and TPU had retail package GTX 590's.
Puff Puff Pass the GTX 590; Why some have gone up in smoke! :: TweakTown USA Edition
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It seems that most of the GTX 590s are dieing due to the amount of Voltage being put through the card. I spoke to MSI last night about Afterburner and asked them that if 1.2v isn't safe, how come Afterburner allows the GTX 590 to go that high? - The answer to that question was; "no, Afterburner only allow to 1.05v - 1.2v is not possible".


It came as a bit of a surprise, though, when I said that MSI Afterburner indeed did offer 1.2v on the ASUS GTX 590. Originally MSI thought only Smart Doctor allowed the voltage to go that high, but we've been told that the ASUS BIOS has been tweaked, giving the ability to push the voltage higher.


Just before the reviews went live I received an email from NVIDIA and they said that voltage adjustment shouldn't be done on reference cooling and also be no higher than +25mV. That means the maximum they recommend is 963v from the default .938v. Of course, we would expect the manufacturer to really play it safe. One company told us they've tested internally at 1.000v and achieved a core clock of 840MHz and a memory clock of 4000MHz QDR.


As always, there's a risk when it comes to adjusting the voltage and while more often than not we think manufacturers won't offer us higher than what is safe, it's of course important to remember that you do increase the voltage at your own risk.


If you know of any other GTX 590s that allow a voltage increase in MSI Afterburner above 1.05v, please let us know. The main thing you need to know is that around 1.000v which seems to be safe "unofficially", you shouldn't have a problem achieving in excess of 800MHz without causing any damage to your card.


Some websites have said the issue is isolated to the ForceWare 267.52 drivers, but this isn't true as we only tested on the FW 267.71 driver and ours did die as well when overclocking.


So, there's a few things to note :-


- Do Not increase voltage above 1.05v, even if the option is there to go higher. We've only heard as high as 1.000v has been tested.


- Ideally NVIDIA would prefer you don't increase voltage at all on reference cooling, but have recommended no higher than .963v.


- This doesn't reflect all NVIDIA GTX 590 products, nor the quality. Throwing almost +300mv on any card with air cooling will more than likely compromise the card's health.


- The issue doesn't seem to be related to any particular driver release.


- Do Not increase voltage above 1.05v, even if the option is there to go higher. We've only heard as high as 1.000v has been tested.


If we find some more information we'll update you further, but I think we've covered just about everything.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/...tx-590-frying/

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NVIDIA Responds to Complaints of Newly Released GTX 590 Frying

It appears that some of those who were out to test the limits of the behemoth, managed to capture the $700 card going up in smoke, literally. Sweclockers, among others, reported and video taped that the GTX 590 was in fact so powerful that the card killed itself during overclocking. While using the beta drivers which were not intended for release, some reviewers willingly took the voltages of their GTX 590s far past NVIDIA’s limits or recommendations. It should be noted, that a quick sampling of many of the web’s premier review websites were using driver version 267.71 in their reviews while others were using slightly older AiB-supplied drivers which did not implement the over current protection properly.

NVIDIA sent us the following statement, “The few press reports on GTX 590 boards dying were caused by overvoltaging to unsafe levels (as high as 1.2V vs. default voltage of 0.91 to 0.96V), and using older drivers that have lower levels of overcurrent protection. Rest assured that GTX 590 operates reliably at default voltages, and our 267.84 launch drivers provide even more additional levels of protection for overclockers. For more information on overclocking and overcurrent protection on GTX 590 please see our knowledge base article here: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/n...d=2947.”

In addition, here is an extract from ASUS’ GTX 590 reviewer’s guide:

It is not advised to exceed the 1.050 to 1.065 vcore range as this begins to meet the limits for the OCP/OVP mechanism on the card. Exceeding these values without disabling OCP/OVP or having superior cooling could affect the lifespan and functionality of the card/gpu.

The lesson of the day is this folks: ignoring manufacturer’s recommendations and overclocking your card way beyond its limitations (especially when using beta drivers and beta software) can in fact lead to the unfortunate killing of hardware. Fancy that eh?
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