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lol i thought ati was the one with bad drivers? gg
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Buyer's remorse setting in already?
No, I was lucky the reviews came in before I pulled the trigger..

I'm keeping my title for now, to see if maybe I will still get the GTX 590.

After all, it has better resale value than GTX 480 SLi.
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I don't see why the issue is with the drivers? someone explain?
It's quite simple.

The GTX 500-series cards are known to allow or warrant extremely high voltages.

So, knowing that any idiot with Afterburner can over-volt their card, nVidia created a page in the drivers that limits power to the card when over-volted and then resets it.

However, it appears that it is tricky to implement (I have no idea why, seeing as CPUs are doing it well), because they code it for every program.

The problem with the current drivers is that they only limit the voltage on certain application and they don't for others.

So, you run >1.1v on those apps, and you just fried 750$.

So, on the one hand, I DO think there should be some kind of universal fix to this (not just better drivers). And I do think that GPUs should just die because of over-voltage, seeing as CPUs don't.

But on the other hand, everyone getting up in arms because W1zzard from TPU! ran 1.2v on one of the cards they sent him for free.. is kind of silly.

I mean, if you treat it right, it won't break. You watercool it, you can run 1.2v. You don't watercool, keep below 1.05v.
Edited by Track - 3/24/11 at 3:34pm
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post #24 of 43
There is no telling what those guys did to that card!!! Everyone acts like the just hooked up the card installed drivers, rebooted, and the card exploded in seconds because of drivers. I just think its funny like us greenies got the red fever blaming drivers from the start. We dont know if they modded the card ini files or anything else for that matter. Not defending just saying only time will tell. If you watch the video during the puff of smoke a drop of something red hot falls off the card and on to the motherboard. I assume this can only be solder which leads me to believe this card was flawed from the factory. Just an observation, I have no plans to buy a new card because my oc'd 470's will best anything out there if its left at stock. At my res 1920x1200 , all settings maxed in bfbc2 i get better fps than in the benches I have seen. If the 590's clocks are lowered just for heat and power then it wont oc worth a damn. LOL from the video they cant handle stock let alone oc. Neither company has scratched my itch for a dual gpu card yet!
post #25 of 43
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Originally Posted by Track View Post
It's quite simple.

The GTX 500-series cards are known to allow or warrant extremely high voltages.

So, knowing that any idiot with Afterburner can over-volt their card, nVidia created a page in the drivers that limits power to the card when over-volted and then resets it.

However, it appears that it is tricky to implement (I have no idea why, seeing as CPUs are doing it well), because they code it for every program.

The problem with the current drivers is that they only limit the voltage on certain application and they don't for others.

So, you run >1.1v on those apps, and you just fried 750$.

So, on the one hand, I DO think there should be some kind of universal fix to this (not just better drivers). And I do think that GPUs should just die because of over-voltage, seeing as CPUs don't.

But on the other hand, everyone getting up in arms because W1zzard from TPU! ran 1.2v on one of the cards they sent him for free.. is kind of silly.

I mean, if you treat it right, it won't break. You watercool it, you can run 1.2v. You don't watercool, keep below 1.05v.
Eh. Even motherboard VRMs burn up.

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/94...hy-choose.html
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Originally Posted by Track View Post
This is what I am thinking.

First the HD 6970 being almost as good or as good as GTX 580..

Then HD 6990 KEEPING the performance crown..

Then GTX 590 launches with bad drivers, poor performance, and excuses galore (lower noise my butt).

Could it be that nVidia's reign is over?
Actually this is PRECISELY what I had hoped for...Not for Nvidias reign to be over...but for the crown to being passed back and forth between BOTH companies... This will help drive innovation and drive down prices...

Though I think AMD/ATI has read the future market a little bit better than the green team...While the green team concentrated on PURE performance power... AMD Beefed up their perfomance a bit while realizing that most people that buy high end video cards can and will do multimonitor gaming...Also with the technology improvements with monitor technology, that higher resolutions can be achieved at a lower price... I remember the days when a CRT monitor OVER 15" was a premium price..One can have a 27 inch monitor for about 300 nowadays, and with the price of smaller monitors being even lower...With eyefinity, and 3D surround technology...Multi monitor applications are within reach and viable...

When Nvidia stops worrying about stealing AMD's thunder(marketing) and losing a few percentage points in marketshare, and concentrate more on making a product, that works well(performance) and correctly(vrms going on 570s and 590s) then they will regain their place...

But until then I am excited at this... I was expecting the 590 to be in the 1000+USD range, especially with all the expectations from it...If it didnt performed better than it did in these reviews, THAT would have been the price...

Let hope Nvidia learns from this and does something to help keep the loyalty that the current Nvidia faithful has given them.....
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I don't see why the issue is with the drivers? someone explain?
Because it was an old driver and did no protect the card. Normally drivers will downclock the card if you go too far or will shut down the system to prevent damage
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I'm still scratchin' my head why they gimped the card memory wise?
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Let me get this stright, I have been waiting for the 590 for quite sometimes.

Basically, nVidia gave us 2 cherry-picked GF110, under-volt and under-clocked it. While it looks like it's waiting to get overclocked like hell, their VRM power limitation + whatever else that's pulling the card down make the card explode when you give it relatively little voltage and low oc clock? Fermi is a tank with high voltage, what did they do to it?

It's like you got so much power under the hold, but you can not go over 3000rpm, hell.
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Of course it went up in smoke they overvolted and overclocked it to "un-safe" levels without proper cooling...
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