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Really? I don't know what to think now I'm getting mixed answers. I really don't wanna buy a video card and find out I have to buy a new processor aswell .
Dude you will be fine with that set up for 2 years rofl... your cpu will not be limited by any amout of gaming you decide to do.
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Dude you will be fine with that set up for 2 years rofl... your cpu will not be limited by any amout of gaming you decide to do.
Exactly, most people play games not silly 3DMark Vantage all day

A 6990 is stupidly overkill, a 6950 will cut it easy...

You dont need a $700 card as chances are in 6 months didly Squat is going to happen.. DX12? Doubt it.
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thats weird? in wow what fps are you getting? and you know wow only uses one gpu? and wow only uses all of my cpus and never goes past 50% on the cpu as far as i know. never seen more than 80% gpu usage either. metro and mafia2 use all 4 cores aswell as using my gpu at 100% so head scratching time :S
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Does that guy think because he isn't getting 100% CPU usage there is a bottleneck? Or that a faster processor getting more performance is a bottleneck?

I can't believe this guy is still spreading that garbage. Ever since he got that 2500k he has been saying the same crap.

Wow gpu usage on Sandy Bridge at 5GHz with two GTX 470's at 850 core:




You should probably figure out what you're talking about before you start talking. Foot in mouth and all that jazz. Your cpu can't go past 50% because it's maxed out at 50% wow only uses two threads. You have a classic case of a cpu bottleneck on a single 6850, that bottleneck would double with crossfire and your fps would only slightly improve because the AMD cpu simply can not push the gpus.

I was even giving AMD an advantage in the fact that I played WoW when I did it for AMD, I no longer play it and don't have all the textures downloaded so the gpu demands was even LOWER for the Intel setup than the AMD setup which failed to push a single card as far as SB could push one of two cards in SLI.



AMD is a good brand, but please don't be so delusional and fanboyish that you can't see the writing on the wall.

Benchmarks represent a baseline to look at that everyone can do and see where they're at. Benchmarks show what your equipment is capable of. Benchmarks reflect what you will see in games. Some more so than others. For instance Vantage isn't as CPU depended as WoW, as such on a single card it almost looks like AMD is capable, but when you add two the usage drops because one was already maxing it out. When you start playing titles (Rift just came out and is still dual core) in the real world there is no guardian angle for AMD making sure all new titles are quad-hex core optimized.


I'm trying to help someone out here with my own personal experience with AMD instead of him falling pray to the same fanboyism and blatant disregard for facts that had me stepping up from 555 to 965 to 1090T all the while never getting where I wanted to go.
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I'm with the crowd to wait until Bulldozer and see how it does versus SB...still have my original e6300 (conroe) from 06'...in desperate need of an upgrade
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If you want to have the smallest bottlenecks for the highest end video cards wait to see how bulldozer is, or get a new high end sandy bridge processor.

There's no reason to buy a 6990 with your current 965 processor unless you plan to upgrade your processor soon.

I am technically bottle necking my 560 ti (a little bit) with my AMD 925 @ 3.64 GHZ. And the 6990 would have even more of a bottleneck from my processor.

But sometimes I feel people make to big a deal about these bottlenecks. I mean yes a 965 would bottleneck a 6990, but you still can PLAY GAMES REALLY REALLY GOOD.

In this case however it doesn't make sense to get a top of the line video card when your processor can't fully support it.

If you really want a 6990 to run at full power you need sandy bridge, or wait for bulldozer.

Honestly though you could just keep your processor and get a 6950 or a 560 ti and you would be EASILY powerful enough for gaming and way more cost efficient.

So really it's a question of do you want to be cost efficient and get great dollar to performance ratio? If so keep your processor and get a card that matches it like the 6950 or 560 ti.

If you want to get the highest possible performance from higher end video cards you have to upgrade your processor.
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not unless you are playing at a huge resolution
The higher the resolution, the bigger the GPU bottlenecks, not the CPU.
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If you want to have the smallest bottlenecks for the highest end video cards wait to see how bulldozer is, or get a new high end sandy bridge processor.

There's no reason to buy a 6990 with your current 965 processor unless you plan to upgrade your processor soon.

I am technically bottle necking my 560 ti (a little bit) with my AMD 925 @ 3.64 GHZ. And the 6990 would have even more of a bottleneck from my processor.

But sometimes I feel people make to big a deal about these bottlenecks. I mean yes a 965 would bottleneck a 6990, but you still can PLAY GAMES REALLY REALLY GOOD.

In this case however it doesn't make sense to get a top of the line video card when your processor can't fully support it.

If you really want a 6990 to run at full power you need sandy bridge, or wait for bulldozer.

Honestly though you could just keep your processor and get a 6950 or a 560 ti and you would be EASILY powerful enough for gaming and way more cost efficient.

So really it's a question of do you want to be cost efficient and get great dollar to performance ratio? If so keep your processor and get a card that matches it like the 6950 or 560 ti.

If you want to get the highest possible performance from higher end video cards you have to upgrade your processor.
This is all I'm saying... AMD chips are quite capable of playing games, nobody is saying they aren't.

They are however limited in their ability to drive high end video cards at 1080p, once you get into surround/eyefinity they do a lot better simply because of the high demand, but you still run into problems again when you're trying to push 3-4 cards to do 3D surround gaming.

For most games out there a gtx 460 or equivalent gpu is about as much power as an AMD cpu can handle. There are some games that are extremely gpu bound like Metro, but most others don't share this trait. Anything more than a single gtx 460 is pretty much only padding your average/max fps and doing nothing for your min fps which is the only thing you're going to notice.

Anyone thinking a 6990 with a AMD cpu without 3 screens is a good match needs to get their head checked.
    
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Wow gpu usage on Sandy Bridge at 5GHz with two GTX 470's at 850 core:




You should probably figure out what you're talking about before you start talking. Foot in mouth and all that jazz. Your cpu can't go past 50% because it's maxed out at 50% wow only uses two threads. You have a classic case of a cpu bottleneck on a single 6850, that bottleneck would double with crossfire and your fps would only slightly improve because the AMD cpu simply can not push the gpus.

I was even giving AMD an advantage in the fact that I played WoW when I did it for AMD, I no longer play it and don't have all the textures downloaded so the gpu demands was even LOWER for the Intel setup than the AMD setup which failed to push a single card as far as SB could push one of two cards in SLI.



AMD is a good brand, but please don't be so delusional and fanboyish that you can't see the writing on the wall.

Benchmarks represent a baseline to look at that everyone can do and see where they're at. Benchmarks show what your equipment is capable of. Benchmarks reflect what you will see in games. Some more so than others. For instance Vantage isn't as CPU depended as WoW, as such on a single card it almost looks like AMD is capable, but when you add two the usage drops because one was already maxing it out. When you start playing titles (Rift just came out and is still dual core) in the real world there is no guardian angle for AMD making sure all new titles are quad-hex core optimized.


I'm trying to help someone out here with my own personal experience with AMD instead of him falling pray to the same fanboyism and blatant disregard for facts that had me stepping up from 555 to 965 to 1090T all the while never getting where I wanted to go.

But if he is getting massive fps it doesn't matter. OF COURSE A BRAND NEW SANDY BRIDGE INTEL PROCESSOR IS GOING TO BE FASTER THEN AN OLDER AMD PHENOM II. You would have to be pretty stupid to think other wise.

My point is you go into every thread and say the same garbage. We get it. You're x6 was not as fast as your current chip. And you bottleneck was so severe you had to completely change platforms.

An x6 at 4Ghz will do fine with a 6990. An i5 2500k will do better, in CPU dependent games/benchmarks. We get it.

You're the seemingly newly converted fanboy in my opinion. I don't even have AMD anymore.

Edit. Also I don't think he should buy a 6990 anyways. Even if he had an i5 2500k at 5GHz, I wouldn't recommend a $600+ card to anyone.
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So after providing proof of AMD not being able to handle a single 470 completely you go on to say it should have no problems handling two times the gpu power.

Awesome.

Then you turn around and say I fanboi up every thread on the AMD forum, wow look at that you're already 0-2.

A x6 would do fine with two 6990s, that doesn't mean its a good purchase. At no time would he ever really fully utilize a 6990 so it would never be a good purchase in any way shape or form despite your bias of buying low end parts.

I was getting 32 fps in wow when the gpu usage dropped into the 50%ish area, is that massive? Is that so huge of a number for you that you can't fathom why I'd possibly say you don't need a lot of gpu power on a Phenom II chip?

Do you have some strange sickness that makes you think what I'm saying makes me a fanboi when all I'm trying to do is keep someone from wasting their money on a product that they can't fully use? Do you have a problem with that?
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meh, only a .10 difference between SB and Phenom II? not too shabby for an old architecture (Stars).
     
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