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Pretty much the performance I want, is a consistent 60fps at maximum settings in video games yet to come out like battlefield 3 and other demanding games in the upcoming years, at 1920x1200.
Looks like your already running the 965, which (being biased) is a good performer right now for an enthusiast build (1080p) max settings, with the limiting factor being the video cards themselves, as one person said, go with the second best single gpu card available at a good cost, and at a later date add that second card in xfire/sli and that will open up an additional 70-90 percent performance increase at a nominal cost (due to dated sku churn) which will buy you a little more time. Just looking at your system that psu is going to be a headache, so that may need some addressing as you increase gpu performance.

From what I have seen with games as of late, the games coming out are better optimized and or not as demanding as perhaps the original Crysis was. I think this trend will be here to stay for at least some time for better or worse. To be future proof I think I saw (if your an AMD die hard) a bulldozer build may be in your future especially if your planning for multi-monitor and massive resolutions that may be your best bet, but dollars to donuts I am really of the mind to say that a good video card now, and a psu later this year, and maybe end of this year or next year another card to xfire/sli is going to give you the 3 years or so your looking for. OC'd its probably going to be time to build out again. BF3 is said to be maxed out at 50~60 fps with "currently available hardware". I just don't see anything in the crystal ball in the next couple years that is going to bring (your) strong enthusiast system down.
 
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Looks like your already running the 965, which (being biased) is a good performer right now for an enthusiast build (1080p) max settings, with the limiting factor being the video cards themselves, as one person said, go with the second best single gpu card available at a good cost, and at a later date add that second card in xfire/sli and that will open up an additional 70-90 percent performance increase at a nominal cost (due to dated sku churn) which will buy you a little more time. Just looking at your system that psu is going to be a headache, so that may need some addressing as you increase gpu performance.

From what I have seen with games as of late, the games coming out are better optimized and or not as demanding as perhaps the original Crysis was. I think this trend will be here to stay for at least some time for better or worse. To be future proof I think I saw (if your an AMD die hard) a bulldozer build may be in your future especially if your planning for multi-monitor and massive resolutions that may be your best bet, but dollars to donuts I am really of the mind to say that a good video card now, and a psu later this year, and maybe end of this year or next year another card to xfire/sli is going to give you the 3 years or so your looking for. OC'd its probably going to be time to build out again. BF3 is said to be maxed out at 50~60 fps with "currently available hardware". I just don't see anything in the crystal ball in the next couple years that is going to bring (your) strong enthusiast system down.
Thanks for the advice. Do you think though, that if I do what you suggest and eventually have 2 of those "second best" video cards, that my processor could keep up with them?
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Yeah because it has everything to do with the CPU and absolutely nothing to do with the program itself right.../sarcasm off

Your 965 will not hold a 6990 back much if at all... if you are playing a game like GTA4 then you can expect pretty much the same performance with a lesser video card because it's so CPU dependent vs a game like Metro 2033 made for GPU's.
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I went from a 965 BE @ 3.8 GHz to a 2600K and only noticed a difference in 3 games out of the 30+ I have (AC, ACII, BC2). I believe AC and ACII are CPU intensive.
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Where is everybody's proof that a 965 will bottleneck a 6990? I think there is some misinformation going on in here. [H]ardforum did their review of the 6990 with a Core i7-920 processor at only 3.6GHz and they experienced no bottlenecks. What makes you think that a CPU that is only slightly under that at a faster speed will bottleneck the graphics card?
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The fastest video card I'd recommend on any AMD chip would be a GTX 460 or ATI equivalent. Anything more powerful will just pad your average/max fps but won't do anything for your MIN and with todays games thats all that really matters.

3D gaming is a no go for AMD, but not many people really care/do 3D anyways.

In gaming the only thing you'll ever really notice is MIN fps, everything else is butter. The problem with AMD chips is that their MIN can be drastically lower than an Intel chip.

That said this i5-2500k is the first chip I've had that will push a GTX 470 with a higher overclock to 99% in almost everything almost all the time. Since going SLI I've increased my overclock to 5.2GHz and I still see gpu throttling due to a cpu bottleneck in a few games that I play.

SLI/CrossFire is also not a good idea for 1080p gaming with an AMD cpu, the lower your MIN fps get the more noticeable micro-shutter and stuttering become.

Most games are coded to take advantage of 2-3 cores, the x4 chips are perfect now for this and having an x6 will do little to nothing for you (outside of slightly better overclocks) in the vast majority of games currently out there.

After having several AMD chips under water with a single GTX 470 I saw a larger bottleneck than I currently see with SLI on my Sandy Bridge chip. That just goes to show you how much more power there is behind the Sandy Bridge architecture.

In the end it's really just up to you and what you want to do. At this point in time Intel is pretty competitive with AMD's offerings with their i5-2500k given the amount of extra power it has in gaming over anything AMD currently has. Unless you plan to go high res, with multiple gpus with high detail I'd personally stay away from investing a lot of money into a gpu on a Phenom II chip at 1080p.
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Not sure exactly what you would qualify as an enthusiast system, but what I'm thinking you mean is I won't be able to play with 2560x1600 or even multiple monitors at framerates in the hundreds with my processor, which I understand. I want 60fps at 1920x1200, and a 6950 or even 6970 won't give me that in modern games that I want to play(mainly thinking about battlefield 3), atleast not consistently. Maybe I will get the performance I desire with that card, but soon with newer games it will get weaker. I know I could eventually crossfire it, but that will cost more money as I explained in a previous post. I guess my perspective on my options is this: 1. Buy a single gpu video card and have decent performance, but soon after notice a decrease with newer video games 2. Upgrade motherboard and consequently require another copy of windows as I use OEM, and get two cards 3. Buy one dual-gpu card that will give me great performance for quite a while and will take a few years before I would need to upgrade it again, and the only immediate upgrade required would be a power supply. Number 3 is looking like the best option right now.
I actually mean 100+ FPS at 1080P not multi monitor. People usually don't buy 6990s to get 60FPS, that card is all about having the fastest.

I have a Q9550 right now and especially in BF BC2 my CPU is bottlenecking these cards. I do not notice it in Mafia II and Metro 2033. If I were you I would just get a 6950 to start with and save up for Bulldozer. You defeat the purpose of the 6990 by pairing it with a Phenom II. In CPU intensive parts you will most likely not be satisfied with the overall performance, especially if you've spent $700 on a GPU. I'm not saying you will get terrible performance but you could spend the money in a better way (considering we're hardware addicts, that is ).
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Thanks for the advice. Do you think though, that if I do what you suggest and eventually have 2 of those "second best" video cards, that my processor could keep up with them?
Yeap

The biggest differences are going to be with games that are highly cpu intensive which are becoming less and less of an issue, BFBC2 is a great example of a game that will stress a cpu in some cases, but that does not really affect the game performance 99 percent of the time. Again, lets say you did those 2 cards, whats to say you dont add a third card for physX later? This time next year a 450 gts will come in a cracker jack box. Being on OC.net I really cant stress enough just how much a strong OC will do for you when addressing fps min/max, especially min.

If you have some loot to blow, you could always look into water cooling for the processor, and something like that will travel with you from build to build for years to come. While I can't predict what games will and wont need years from now, I will say with much certainty, that cpu's and gpu's will still get hot!
 
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I've used Amd 955 - amd 965 - and now amd 1090t with no problems at all @ 1080p - I also have a 120hz monitor and I usually get that many fps in most games

Keep in mind that these forums are all about the latest and greatest, which you really don't need with the way PC games are heading. If you have a decent quad core, and a decent gpu - you should be able to play pc game at high settings well and truly until the release of Xbox 720 and PS4 - BF3 may be the only exception, but is it really worth $$ for one or two games?
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So the limitations my processor would show would be most prevalent in games that are cpu heavy i assume. So as an example, what kind of bottle-necking would I notice in Metro 2033 with a 6990, if any? If I'm correct that game isnt particularly cpu demanding.
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