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I can most certainly agree with that. The fact that you use all your hardware at the maximum possible OC and performance level is a nice thing to have.

AMD's single core benchmarks also show the fact that per core it offers slightly less performance. However, in multicore benchmarks the AMD counterpart of the 950 is actually slightly faster at the same 4.0Ghz!

core i7 950 @ 4.0Ghz: 7.07 CBP
AMD 1055t @ 4.0Ghz: 7.18 CBP

However, I think that in real world usage the difference is neglible . What if it is 10% slower? Are you going to notice? Some people are willing to spend top dollar for that last 10%, some don't.

Anyway to each his/her own
Hate to be a broken record, but as for what that means to me, do you think my processor will bottleneck an hd 6990 at all?
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No bottleneck. DO IT!


5870 Crossfire CPU scaling test:









AND THAT'S ONLY 5870 Crossfire... 6990 is nearly twice as powerful. You'll have a bottleneck galore.

Rest of the tests:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articl..._part_1,3.html
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5870 Crossfire CPU scaling test:









AND THAT'S ONLY 5870 Crossfire... 6990 is nearly twice as powerful. You'll have a bottleneck galore.

Rest of the tests:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articl..._part_1,3.html
Um...I didn't think the high end CPUs had that much of a difference in performance from eachother, I thought once you reach a certain point stronger CPUs dont make much of a difference as your video card would be the bottleneck. I'm so confused now.
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5870 Crossfire CPU scaling test:









AND THAT'S ONLY 5870 Crossfire... 6990 is nearly twice as powerful. You'll have a bottleneck galore.

Rest of the tests:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articl..._part_1,3.html
You are quoting a Crysis benchmark. In my opinion not a valid benchmark to reflect current generation gaming performance. Crysis is not optimized for a lot of features like multicore processing. I'd rather look at how 3dmark vantage and 3dmark 11 perform instead of Crysis.

My personal opinion:

Stay with your trusty 965. Even if it bottlenecks it is not going to be a 30% bottleneck, at best a 10% one. A 4,0Ghz will run dandy fine and it will not bottleneck your 6990 in gaming.

I'd say it is good for another couple of years worth. You might get a 10% increase in benchmarks by buying a $1000 990x but what gives? That way you can spend thousands of dollars a year just so you can play 1 or 2 new games at maximum settings.

Use it until it is roasted.
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Um...I didn't think the high end CPUs had that much of a difference in performance from eachother, I thought once you reach a certain point stronger CPUs dont make much of a difference as your video card would be the bottleneck. I'm so confused now.
Hey i didn't mean to confuse you or i didn't post just to contradict other guys. What i meant was to point out to the fact there there will be significant bottleneck if you go with 6990 and that cpu. But as others stated you can always upgrade the cpu later. If you don't have the cash right now then just buy the 6990 today, you'll update the cpu later on. but if your budget lets you buy a 2500k or 2600k then you certainly MUST get it.

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You are quoting a Crysis benchmark. In my opinion not a valid benchmark to reflect current generation gaming performance. Crysis is not optimized for a lot of features like multicore processing. I'd rather look at how 3dmark vantage and 3dmark 11 perform instead of Crysis.
Have you actually clicked the link and seen other games on the list. You claim that there won't be any bottleneck in games but you prefer seeing 3DMark Vantage result in order to believe that there's no bottleneck. I don't know what to say to you.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...part_1,15.html
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You are quoting a Crysis benchmark. In my opinion not a valid benchmark to reflect current generation gaming performance. Crysis is not optimized for a lot of features like multicore processing. I'd rather look at how 3dmark vantage and 3dmark 11 perform instead of Crysis.

My personal opinion:

Stay with your trusty 965. Even if it bottlenecks it is not going to be a 30% bottleneck, at best a 10% one. A 4,0Ghz will run dandy fine and it will not bottleneck your 6990 in gaming.

I'd say it is good for another couple of years worth. You might get a 10% increase in benchmarks by buying a $1000 990x but what gives? That way you can spend thousands of dollars a year just so you can play 1 or 2 new games at maximum settings.

Use it until it is roasted.
Hmm well I'm currently running it at stock 3.4ghz, I haven't tried overclocking it yet as I haven't needed to. If I did, how high do you think I could get it with just the OEM CPU fan and another fan in my case? Should I invest in a better CPU fan, or water cooling? Water cooling makes me nervous because of possible leakage.
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Are you planning on upgrading your PSU as well?
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Hey i didn't mean to confuse you or i didn't post just to contradict other guys. What i meant was to point out to the fact there there will be significant bottleneck if you go with 6990 and that cpu. But as others stated you can always upgrade the cpu later. If you don't have the cash right now then just buy the 6990 today, you'll update the cpu later on. but if your budget lets you buy a 2500k or 2600k then you certainly MUST get it.



Have you actually clicked the link and seen other games on the list. You claim that there won't be any bottleneck in games but you prefer seeing 3DMark Vantage result in order to believe that there's no bottleneck. I don't know what to say to you.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...part_1,15.html
What I'm confused about from that link, is that the framerate difference from the i7 processors compared to phenom II x4 is quite large, which surprises me since youre comparing the best CPUs of that article's time, and I didn't think they would be such a bottleneck at the high end. Yet at the end of the article, the writer says that the i7 processor with the 5970 provided almost no difference than the x4, and the two processors would perform with almost no difference from eachother at the settings people with that card would be using, which I thought was true, but it seems to contradict the graphs. It says it could be due to the high AA/AF settings which are more from the GPU, so maybe the higher your settings are the less your CPU bottlnecks?
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Are you planning on upgrading your PSU as well?
Yes.
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Hmm well I'm currently running it at stock 3.4ghz, I haven't tried overclocking it yet as I haven't needed to. If I did, how high do you think I could get it with just the OEM CPU fan and another fan in my case? Should I invest in a better CPU fan, or water cooling? Water cooling makes me nervous because of possible leakage.
There are plenty of quality air cooling solutions that are in the neighborhood of water cooling at a fraction of the cost, good case airflow is also worth looking into. Water is interesting for TONS of reasons, and as far as my experience with it, done right, it does not leak.

A 965 on the stock cooler setup can OC safe up to but not beyond 3.8 (too much heat), and even that little bump is going to result in some benchmarking improvements. In the OC realm theres also ram and HT to OC as well, each with there own effects and performance improvements and limitations.

I am of the mind to say that this all just depends on how much loot you want to toss at the question. A video card in relation to a much more powerful processor/mobo/memory combination may, rather, will be throttled some by your 965, but only as it is compared to that much more expensive base system, its not that the card is running far slower, or not living up to some pie in the sky performance metric, it is that the rest of the system is held back "some". What are we talking about numbers wise? In some cases or loaded scenes as much as 15%, but 95% of the time your not going to experience that drastic a difference in a game, playing. The same argument could be made for loading from an older HDD as opposed to a newer SSD.

Theres gives and takes with everything, heck in watercooling, trying to reach a Delta T of 2 C is sorta a holy grail, but rarely achieved... it can be done easily... but it cost $$$$$$ to do it... and to what end?

As far as metro 2033 goes, personally I have never played it on a computer that could max it out in DX11... I suppose someone somewhere has... but its going to be something on the order of 1/10 of 1% of the people who play it. Truly an amazing game though, and even on my mediocre "enthusiast" system is played it 90% maxed at 1080p and never experienced anything less than exceptional with the gameplay. One single high end card will outperform my 2 450's, that said... I have to assume that will be your experience.
 
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